00:00:00.00 nextlevelguypodcast Looks like I'm being taken hostage in the background. I'm renovating my office. So it's it's very white at the minute, it unfortunately. 00:00:07.50 evaschubert and And am I correct in understanding that you've just got on with the police? 00:00:07.64 nextlevelguypodcast But... 00:00:12.71 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah, so I'm now working with a specialist crime division in our... um oh It's like a high... you know It's like desorganised crime and all that kind stuff. So I'm now working for them. 00:00:23.89 nextlevelguypodcast But um I was meant to be only starting at the start of April. um My vetting came through about two weeks early. I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing. Or did they want me in because they found all my crimes? I don't know. it's But and yeah, it's been good. 00:00:37.52 evaschubert i think I think there's a different door for that. 00:00:40.25 nextlevelguypodcast yeah It's been good so far, but it's a lot of like training, so I'm just now getting into the the real stuff. 00:00:41.94 evaschubert but 00:00:48.45 nextlevelguypodcast And it's quite interesting how many times I type certain words and I go, is this really now my life? but you know It's like throwing around like certain acronyms and things and all that, and crimes, and I'm just like, it's just like it's nine now. 00:01:04.90 nextlevelguypodcast When you first hear them, you're like, ooh. 00:01:07.50 evaschubert and And you were working at the university before? in In what capacity? 00:01:10.60 nextlevelguypodcast Yep. So I was a program coordinator for PhD research students. So I'd also worked on a fish farm. I've worked in a quarry. 00:01:21.57 nextlevelguypodcast Where else have I been? Oh, I feel like I've gone round the houses. 00:01:26.31 evaschubert And what city are you in? 00:01:28.96 nextlevelguypodcast So I'm in Glasgow in Scotland at the minute, as you prefer. But my accent, because I've lived in the Highlands and I've lived in Glasgow and my mum's from Stirling and my dad's from the Highlands, I've got a weird, some say Irish, some say, I've been accused of being Spanish. I've been accused of being Welsh, Irish, very few picked Scottish. 00:01:55.53 evaschubert I mean, i had you pegged for Scottish or very northern, northern England. I know, I know, I know. 00:02:03.53 nextlevelguypodcast oh that's cheap 00:02:05.31 evaschubert I'm sorry. 00:02:08.09 nextlevelguypodcast but um what i mean cousins looks like a viking warrior you know like but i just get ginger massive bum fluff and he gets the pool viking beard and i'm like yeah i i'm i missed out on the that gene there like it's but uh so 00:02:08.52 evaschubert but 00:02:15.97 evaschubert but 00:02:25.45 evaschubert I've he'll let this cat in because she's scratching at the door and she's making noise. We'll see if she's going to sit here and be quiet. Otherwise... I might have to dismiss her. 00:02:32.36 nextlevelguypodcast but 00:02:32.99 evaschubert She decides to start chewing the cables as she does. 00:02:36.68 nextlevelguypodcast I love when they start doing that. 00:02:36.71 evaschubert no 00:02:38.01 nextlevelguypodcast It's like they just start twatting everything about behind you. My dog used to come up and lick its bits. 00:02:43.61 evaschubert Oh, that's, that's always fun. 00:02:43.76 nextlevelguypodcast I've had that. 00:02:44.98 evaschubert Yes. 00:02:45.97 nextlevelguypodcast as is on video, and he very noisily um entertained himself, shall we say. 00:02:51.15 evaschubert Oh no. 00:02:51.49 nextlevelguypodcast So, try to explain that to a guest. 00:02:53.38 evaschubert Oh no. Okay. 00:02:55.90 nextlevelguypodcast um That's why I always lock my door. But, thank you so much for coming on. It's an absolute joy. Now, we were discussing just before we started about how much I love vibing out to your songs. 00:03:08.95 nextlevelguypodcast I follow your podcast. I've written you a wee introduction. What do you think about Too many people live life on autopilot, following the script they've been handed instead of writing their own. 00:03:20.77 nextlevelguypodcast By Eva, she's proof that reinvention isn't just possible, it's essential. A jazz singer, writer, historian, and and entrepreneur, Eva refuses to be put in a box. She's carved her own path, embracing creativity, curiosity, and bold risks along the way. 00:03:36.25 nextlevelguypodcast Today, we're diving into what it really means to forge your own identity, challenge the status quo, and live with passion. Eva, welcome to the show. Would you agree with that? Or how would you define yourself? 00:03:48.14 evaschubert Wow. Well, thank you, Ian, for for that introduction. but It sounds very inspiring. i would like go but 00:03:54.80 nextlevelguypodcast I want you to stand up and salute. 00:03:58.89 evaschubert I mean, i would agree with all of those principles and I do my best to live up to them. How about that? 00:04:06.28 nextlevelguypodcast that's So what would you define yourself as? Are you, ah like if you if you come up, would you say initially you're a singer? Would you say storyteller? Would you say a podcaster? 00:04:18.32 nextlevelguypodcast Would you say a creative person? How would you kind of encompass all the amazing facets that combine to create you? 00:04:28.12 evaschubert You know, it's it's funny because which which sort of hat I put on when I'm meeting somebody for the first time depends who they are. And it also sometimes results in some very funny games. I remember... 00:04:43.53 evaschubert Because all of these things are who I am. But if someone is meeting me for the first time, the question is, what piece do I do I put at the front? Right. And there was this this one very memorable episode where was wearing my singer hat. 00:04:58.72 evaschubert I was interviewing this this gentleman because I had need of someone who could dance on camera. And it was very difficult to find such a person who is also tall enough because I'm quite a tall woman. 00:05:11.63 evaschubert And when I have my shoes on, it's worse. 00:05:12.83 nextlevelguypodcast Thank you. 00:05:13.02 evaschubert right So you don't want to be having a wild mismatch in heights on camera. It just doesn't look very good. So anyway, I found what I thought was a suitable candidate, but I thought it would better have an interview in person before agreeing to have him on the project. 00:05:27.73 evaschubert And so all he knew about me was that I was a singer and I had this music video project. So we we sat down and we had a chat and we got just sort of carried away in this wonderful conversation about diasporas and civilizational influences and cultural borrowing and whatnot. 00:05:47.65 evaschubert And he said to me, you're actually quite smart. 00:05:53.86 nextlevelguypodcast That's nice of them. 00:05:55.99 evaschubert and And what was hilarious about this for me is that I've spent most of my professional life in academia. I teach at a college. And so that's normally the first thing people know about me. 00:06:07.95 evaschubert So they assume certain level of education and intelligence. And it was quite surprising and hilarious to me to realize that this gentleman looking at exactly the same person knew only one thing about me, which is that I did music and assumed therefore that I was some some sort of a ditz and not really very intelligent and was surprised to discover that this wasn't the case. 00:06:32.66 evaschubert So I've learned that depending on what part of the truth I present people with, they make a very different set of assumptions. And sometimes it amuses me to play with that a little bit. 00:06:45.57 nextlevelguypodcast Well, it's like like attracts like, doesn't it? You know, you get, you find your tribe, but as you kind of switch personas. And it's interesting how people don't know the different parts of you, even though they've known you for years. 00:06:59.01 nextlevelguypodcast And I always find that really weird when people say to you, oh, i didn't know realize you were into podcasting. yeah look What do you think? 00:07:04.40 evaschubert Right. 00:07:04.53 nextlevelguypodcast I just went to work and did X. And it's like people who know you a singer. suddenly go What do you mean you're not doing this full time? Or that vice versa, you and work. 00:07:15.92 nextlevelguypodcast It must be strange for students to hear. I mean, you've got an amazing vocal range. i mean, you've had m people saying that you were like, was it Billy Holiday? Ella Fitzgerald? 00:07:27.64 nextlevelguypodcast You know, all these amazing people you're getting comparisons to. And and then i know you through your your podcast. And you find that there's so much depth, there's so much scope to you, that there's so many areas to to go into. 00:07:34.59 evaschubert yes 00:07:41.81 nextlevelguypodcast You're almost a nightmare guest because there's so many different things to ask about and try to constel it into one hour. But could you remember that first moment when you were younger, when you thought, I want to be creative, I want to create rather than consume media and do things? 00:07:59.48 evaschubert Yes, um i I think there was, i mean, I started writing poetry before I hit puberty, but put it that way. I was i was a very bookish child um and was was fascinated by words and the music that language could make. 00:08:18.19 evaschubert And I strictly mean language. I had no conception that I had any musical ability whatsoever, actually. But I was fascinated by meter and rhyme and images and the effect that poetry could have on the mind. 00:08:34.96 evaschubert And I was trying to manipulate that. I thought that was very, very interesting. So that goes back a long way. There was also somewhere in the back of my head some sort of waking dream that involved being a jazz lounge singer. 00:08:50.10 evaschubert It was a very Jessica Rabbit kind of vision. And I don't know where it came from, but it was sort of persistently in the back of my head. 00:08:53.07 nextlevelguypodcast That's 00:08:57.31 evaschubert And I ignored it because came, I'm the oldest of eight children and we came from a single income family, obviously, because someone had to be home with all those children. 00:09:09.60 evaschubert so So money was tight and I grew up with a strong sense of I need to be practical. I need to do sensible things. 00:09:20.42 evaschubert I need to become financially self-sustaining. I need to go to university so that I can improve my life. And creativity wasn't really part of this serious plan. 00:09:31.13 evaschubert Creativity was something I sort of did on the side and I didn't really talk about much. And I was very focused on getting my degree and then getting another degree. And, you know, I moved to the UK for a bit to do my second degree. 00:09:45.58 evaschubert I was I was all in on the academic plan. And it wasn't until. one fine day when I was stirring a pot of oatmeal, of all things. 00:09:58.36 nextlevelguypodcast As you do. 00:09:58.52 evaschubert And yes, I was in the morning. 00:10:00.71 nextlevelguypodcast Good choice. 00:10:01.54 evaschubert i And i had written some some lyrics because I've loved jazz again since I was a little ah little girl. My grandfather was a big jazz guy. He used to play the vinyl records of Sinatra and Dean Martin and all these guys. 00:10:16.24 nextlevelguypodcast Good choice. 00:10:16.22 evaschubert So I love that. I love those vibes and just the feeling and the, the romance and the lyrics and the swing and all that. But while I like to listen to it, I was convinced I didn't have a musical bone in my body. 00:10:30.64 evaschubert So I was writing these lyrics and I was thinking to myself, you know, perhaps one day I'll meet somebody who does have musical ability and then we can put these things together. And I don't really know how that's going to happen. 00:10:42.60 evaschubert So I'd written these lyrics, stirring the oatmeal, going over the lyrics in my mind. And suddenly, I could hear music behind them. 00:10:53.81 evaschubert And I had this moment where I was like, oh my God, I i need to find some way to record this. Otherwise, I know it's going to vanish. I'll get distracted by something in 10 minutes and whatever I can hear in the back of my mind right now, it's going to be gone. 00:11:08.90 evaschubert Like a dream when you wake up, you know, like half an hour later, you don't remember anything about it. 00:11:11.21 nextlevelguypodcast No. Like Tricotchwar. 00:11:13.40 evaschubert So i'm friend exactly so I'm frantically looking for free recording software on my phone and I'm sort of humming this thing into the phone just so I can get it down somewhere. 00:11:26.06 evaschubert And from that morning onwards, it was like a tap had been turned in my brain. And very frequently when I would be writing lines, I could hear music. 00:11:41.35 evaschubert And then music would sometimes come first and I would write the lines after. And so suddenly there was this flood of melodies that would be coming into my brain. 00:11:54.59 evaschubert And at first I was in disbelief and I was like, this is probably somebody else's melody that I'm remembering. You know, it's probably a song that's stuck in my head somewhere. This can't be me. And I would always worry about that, but I would record these things. 00:12:09.63 evaschubert And in a few months I had quite a collection of songs, with lyrics and melody, but I hadn't done lot of musical training. 00:12:19.89 evaschubert I mean, had a couple of very basic, you know, piano lessons when I was a kid and I could find, you know, some notes on the piano, but that that was it. 00:12:24.62 nextlevelguypodcast Come on. 00:12:28.35 evaschubert I sang in the choir at church a little bit, you know, when I was a child and that was the extent of it. So I didn't have the vocabulary write the melodies down. 00:12:39.72 evaschubert or to arrange. I could just write lyrics and I could find the tune and the pacing and I could think about what instruments should be there. But in terms of writing out parts or anything, forget it. 00:12:53.56 evaschubert So that's how it started. And I just had this realization that there were capacities I was totally unaware of. until this moment in my life. 00:13:05.31 evaschubert And I was 30 when this happened. mean, finished my university years and was working and I was doing other things. And so the question was then, well, what am I going to do with this? 00:13:19.02 evaschubert And I realized that I was going to have to get serious about singing because if these were songs I wanted to share with people, had better be good enough to deliver them myself. 00:13:29.86 evaschubert And so it kind of started that way. 00:13:32.98 nextlevelguypodcast I love that. I love that. it it Because everybody assumes we're either born with it or we're screwed. But you you know you kind of felt that voice speaking to you, that internal voice. Because I think that's a lot of times it's if the people who succeed are the ones who listen to it and don't stop, they just keep them back and back through it. 00:13:50.93 nextlevelguypodcast Can you think about that first time that you went out and started performing, even if it was to like a friend family members? how yeah How did you start dealing with that level of that fear that bubbles in you? You know, that when suddenly you're the product, you're going to be evaluated by people watching. 00:14:08.64 evaschubert Yeah, it's terrifying. 00:14:11.86 nextlevelguypodcast Do you ever get over it? 00:14:11.99 evaschubert And... Yes, but ah but um i say terrifying, even though I was a person who at this point in my life had years of experience public speaking and being in front of a room. 00:14:25.35 evaschubert I mean, was already working in higher education. was in front of classrooms of young adults every week teaching. had given public lectures to large audiences. 00:14:37.18 evaschubert It wasn't as though I was... someone who was uncomfortable with being the focus of attention in a room. But it's very different when you're coming with facts and arguments and a curriculum and a lesson that people have sort of already agreed to come and listen to, that they know what it is and they want to be there. 00:14:58.27 evaschubert Versus saying to people, you know, this is something I've made out of nothing and I'm offering it to you. And it's a deeply personal in a way that teaching people how to do something or teaching people about something is not. 00:15:12.34 nextlevelguypodcast So subjective versus objective. 00:15:12.35 evaschubert ah even Absolutely. And, and, um, there aren't sort of clearly established lines of what's good and what isn't. 00:15:24.28 evaschubert You just produce it and you put it out and you don't know what people are going to think and they might absolutely hate it. And so it's very personal in a way that my other types of public speaking and interactions were not. 00:15:37.76 evaschubert And I remember just my heart rate, you know, spiking and the nerves being so intense that even like your voice almost feels like it's shaking as you're trying to. 00:15:50.14 evaschubert trying to sing. And so the first time I did this was just, you know, in front of a couple of really close friends. But the first time I had a public performance of it, oh, the nerves were just intense. 00:16:03.44 evaschubert But I remember, I remember reminding myself of something I tell my students all the time, which is that a good public speaker, doesn't, it's not about how you feel in terms of whether you're afraid or not. 00:16:17.70 evaschubert It's about what you, telegraph to the audience. 00:16:22.38 nextlevelguypodcast Mm-hmm. 00:16:22.39 evaschubert And so there are ways that you tell your audience with your body language that you're afraid. And you don't need to tell them that you're afraid on the outside. So you could be having an out of body experience and having your stomach on a roller coaster on the inside. 00:16:36.58 evaschubert But if you're deliberate about the messages that you're sending with your body language on the outside, it doesn't have to be obvious to your audience how frightened you are. And so I reminded myself of these principles from my first public performance. 00:16:50.34 evaschubert And I sort of pulled myself up in front of the microphone and I gave myself the open body language and you know, made eye contact with people in the room and I, and I started and, 00:17:02.08 evaschubert I was terrified and I was so glad when it was over, but people came up and said, was this your first performance? That's unbelievable. didn't, you know, no way. And I was like, oh I'm so glad that's over. 00:17:13.87 evaschubert And so the truth of these messages that I had conveyed to students who were terrified of public speaking was also true and valuable for me when I was the one sort of in the beginner's seat again, a musician performer. 00:17:31.50 nextlevelguypodcast because it it reminded me when you were talking just now about that feeling I used to get when I would do podcasts. And if somebody cancelled last minute, the relief I would have, you know, not to go out there. ah But I knew but they had that version of myself fighting the the child version of myself that was saying, you know, they like the devil and the angel. One saying, go on, do it. You know, you can put this out as good. 00:17:53.42 nextlevelguypodcast And another saying, whoa, back off. You'll be made fun of it. And it's whichever one you listen to into it, Do you find there's a way that you can step into it? 00:17:59.45 evaschubert yes 00:18:02.69 nextlevelguypodcast Like, is it you just sell the story that you're smart, sexy, successful, you're going to, that you already own the stage, so the people buy into the story, they read the story that you're portraying, even if you're shitting bricks, as the Scots would say? 00:18:17.50 evaschubert Yes. Yes. There has to be kind of a strong sense of self-affirmation. Like you almost have to talk yourself up on the inside before you go do it. 00:18:28.29 evaschubert So Last spring, I was touring in Italy in April. And this, it's a crazy thing because, mean, had to set this all up myself. 00:18:40.11 evaschubert And I had multiple performances from sort of Rome and north of Rome all the way down to Matera in the south. And ah i had the privilege of playing with some absolutely wonderful musicians and some really classy musicians. 00:18:52.46 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 00:18:57.72 evaschubert jazz clubs. And you have that same struggle with those two voices inside of you. 00:18:59.26 nextlevelguypodcast ah 00:19:02.56 evaschubert The one which says, you're an imposter. You know, you're going to show up here and everyone's going to realize that you're an amateur who doesn't really know what you're doing, a guess, next to all these real musicians. 00:19:13.76 nextlevelguypodcast yeah 00:19:13.75 evaschubert And what are you doing here? You don't belong. And then there's the voice that says, Actually, just arranged a tour in Italy for myself because can do this because people have listened to this stuff and they want me to come here. 00:19:30.96 evaschubert They know who I am. I'm not selling something that is not true. am the person whose voice is on these records. I haven't been auto-tuned like this is me. 00:19:42.83 evaschubert so I just have to bring me. They already know who I am and this is the person they want to see. So you have to remind yourself of that. And it doesn't go away. 00:19:53.52 evaschubert I mean, I've had to deal with this even as recently as a couple of weeks ago. But you have to make a conscious decision of reminding yourself that that every time this, what I call the voice of weakness or the voice of doubt crops up, it's a voice that prevents you from doing things. 00:20:13.25 evaschubert And when you listen to the other voice, wonderful things happen. And so you have to remind yourself, ah, yes, here we are in this decision again. Listen to the voice that has led to opened doors and waking dreams and wonderful experiences and ignore this other one, which wants to make you quiet and small and afraid. 00:20:34.89 evaschubert And so I think the more times you're in that position, the longer record you have of, oh, I recognize this, the easier it gets in some ways. 00:20:43.99 nextlevelguypodcast my 00:20:46.14 evaschubert But it's not easy. Yes, it is. 00:20:48.55 nextlevelguypodcast but oh no I know that feeling that journey you go through each time it just going are you sure are you sure and yeah you when you have to see the version of yourself that you know it's the successful one or doing the well and it's it's hard not to slip back into old ways but 00:20:55.28 evaschubert yeah yeah 00:21:04.60 nextlevelguypodcast it can come super strong. i couldn't I can't believe that you set these up yourself because they look so professional. they's like They look such well produced stage shows and they look like there's thousands of people who like working on these things. 00:21:20.38 nextlevelguypodcast the but They look phenomenal, your videos. And I love how youre you were saying that before we started like about how your music has like hidden jokes and meanings and stuff. and Especially if you read some of your lyrics that are amazing. But How would you think music, like what would you say your musical inspiration is? How would you define your style? 00:21:40.11 nextlevelguypodcast Because had to write this down. 00:21:40.76 evaschubert Thank you. 00:21:41.65 nextlevelguypodcast What is it? Sizzling trumpet, strutting guitar, and rhythmic bass grooves combined for a jazz experience that swings and soars. That was a and review of one of your albums. 00:21:56.48 nextlevelguypodcast what What do you think, how would you define your music? ah Do you think music is a universal language that speaks to us all? That's why it's so popular? 00:22:06.72 evaschubert I think that music is a kind of magic. I like to think of it as something like a spell if it's done right. And I say that because you could be having terrible day or you could be in one mental state, which seems like final statement about the world and what is in it. 00:22:31.14 evaschubert And if you put the right music, It will change the color of the wallpaper inside your mind, and it will change the way the world looks and feels to you. 00:22:43.88 nextlevelguypodcast Love that. 00:22:44.60 evaschubert And it costs you nothing. It's a flick of a button, but if you know which sort of bottle or which vial to open, you can have a totally different experience of reality. 00:22:59.01 evaschubert And I think that that's very powerful and very potent. And it has many forms. I mean, there are the happy, bright songs that we just put them on and they just make us feel instantly more cheerful. 00:23:13.62 evaschubert There are the songs that get embedded in our experiences and our memories. And when we open those vials, they take us back to people and places and pieces of ourselves that we haven't seen for a while. 00:23:27.99 evaschubert And so they're redolent songs. They've taken on a significance that's deeply embedded in our lives. And then there are songs that explain ourselves to ourselves. 00:23:40.22 evaschubert I mean, heartbreak is a classic example of this when you're feeling this pain and it seems unique to you and unbearable and horrible. And then you listen to the right song. 00:23:51.68 evaschubert And if the lyrics are perfect, you suddenly hear your story there and you hear someone else telling it. 00:23:59.91 nextlevelguypodcast Mm-hmm. 00:24:00.02 evaschubert And you realize that 00:24:04.30 evaschubert it's an experience that can be understood and can be passed through. It lightens your burden. And so I think that music is very powerful. It has the ability to inspire us. 00:24:16.04 evaschubert It has the ability to alleviate pain. It has the ability to take us down memory lane. And I think that it even has the ability to help us formulate hopes and plans for the future. 00:24:31.43 evaschubert So it's a very powerful thing. I don't take it lightly. And not all music is like that. There's some pop music that really has like three or four words in it and just in instance and, and you know, that's just to make you gyrate on a dance floor that that is that is the function of that it's for that purpose. 00:24:47.96 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 00:24:48.41 evaschubert And so it's legitimate. But when I when I'm speaking about these things, I'm thinking of music that has a wider range of effects on us. 00:24:58.49 nextlevelguypodcast Do you think it's a sort of version of it tells a story through a song? And this is going to sound a wee, but this is probably going to go a bit OTT. It's already good in my head. 00:25:09.06 nextlevelguypodcast you think that by doing that, you scratched a creative itch and then by the world travel, it started igniting more of a passion into your history to then combine the two and start telling the story of our history on the podcast? 00:25:26.53 evaschubert Well, it's actually the podcast evolved separately. 00:25:33.97 evaschubert for a very different set of reasons. So my passion for history also goes back to my early teens. I mean, I was a nerdy child who was reading everything I could find about Henry VIII and the Tudor court at age 12, 13 and 14. 00:25:51.19 evaschubert At the age of 12, there was a library book sale and we used to the library every week. My mother would take all the children and we each had our own book bag. We would go to the library, we'd load up with books, we'd take them away for the week, we'd come back the following week on the same day, return the books and get new ones. 00:26:05.96 evaschubert So it was a very regular thing for me. And sometimes the library had book sales where they were getting rid of books they didn't want on the shelves anymore. And they'd sell them off for 25 cents, 75 cents a dollar, things like that. 00:26:19.74 evaschubert So I remember, think I was 12 or 13, and I was going through my tutor phase. And there was this massive book. about Cardinal Woolsey, Henry VIII's right-hand man who failed to broker the divorce with Catherine. 00:26:36.71 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 00:26:40.01 evaschubert And so I knew who Cardinal Woolsey was, and this was a biography of Cardinal Woolsey written by some Oxford don. And it was, I kid you not, more than a thousand pages long, okay? 00:26:50.12 evaschubert It was massive. And I thought, oh, great, you know, it's about Cardinal Woolsey. I'll just get this book. I paid my 50 cents for it, took it home. and was wading through these chapters about the agrarian reforms that Cardinal Wolsey instituted in England in the And, you know, as a 12-year-old, I was really uninspired by agrarian reforms. 00:27:12.68 evaschubert And honestly, I think I still would be uninspired by that. So it became quite burdensome. But I learned a couple of things. One, that Ibbid was a very prolific scholar. 00:27:24.01 evaschubert He's cited on every page. I don't know who this Ibbid is, but he's obviously some Greek scholar I hadn't heard of. No, IBID is academic shorthand, meaning see the previous citation. 00:27:35.79 evaschubert This is the same source. But I just saw IBID, and I'm like, who is this guy? 00:27:37.32 nextlevelguypodcast but 00:27:39.08 evaschubert I need to look him up. um So what I'm trying to say is I've been a history nerd for a very long time, and my first degree is in history, actually. But... Well... 00:27:51.58 nextlevelguypodcast I like how you said your first degree. you know ever ah A lot of people are they're just now going, she's going, what, more than one? 00:27:54.03 evaschubert well 00:27:58.34 nextlevelguypodcast don't think people understand like the how you get up to PhD and beyond. 00:28:01.79 evaschubert pleasure yeah So I loved it. And even when I finished that degree, mean, I'd been reading history before that degree. That's why I did that degree. 00:28:12.74 evaschubert I continued to read history after that degree. And there were historical questions that I was fascinated with personally that I was always reading up to know more about and making notes on. So it's been an ongoing thing forever. 00:28:26.00 evaschubert And during COVID, the podcast came up as an idea basically to keep myself sane because I suddenly, as everyone else did, found myself stuck at home and really starved for sort of stimulation. 00:28:34.03 nextlevelguypodcast okay 00:28:41.06 evaschubert And the podcast was a way of focusing my brain on something that I could absorb my attention in and craft a narrative about and communicate with people. 00:28:55.85 evaschubert And so it started at that time. And, you know, was sort of an informal hobby like thing for the first few years. And, you know, it's become more serious since. 00:29:09.44 nextlevelguypodcast No, I mean, it's but it exploded. It such are an exciting podcast. but History is large, obviously. you know you mean We've got like the Roman Empire, the Ottoman Empire, you've got like the Spanish Inquisition, you've got just the UK historical, the amount of wars and bullshit that went on. 00:29:31.35 nextlevelguypodcast by you You could, like Dan Jones and and you know and these kind of like shows, they can do whole series on just the placetarians and stuff you know? 00:29:44.67 nextlevelguypodcast And think that's something we struggle with is try to understand our own history. to Because if you can see where you came from, you can understand where you're going and, you know, ri maneuver to to have a better future. 00:29:58.25 nextlevelguypodcast How do you pick the areas you look at to inspire your reader? Do you scratch a creative itch and focus on things you maybe are not teaching? Or yeah is it things that you think are great stories that will inspire the reader? 00:30:12.82 evaschubert Yeah, it's a mix of those things. It's stories that I find fascinating. And it's stories that I think fill gaps in our understanding. 00:30:26.63 evaschubert So things I think are not well covered or misunderstood. So for example, one of the early series I did was on the Great Schism. This was because I realized, so the Great Schism is this moment where the Christian world splits forever into an Eastern half and a Western half. 00:30:47.40 nextlevelguypodcast Mm-hmm. 00:30:47.53 evaschubert You and I have grown up in the Western half, the Latin half. We've so forgotten about this that many people I was running into didn't even realize there was an Eastern half. 00:30:59.62 evaschubert And the Eastern half is called the Orthodox Christian world. And it has subdivided into things like Greek Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Serbian Orthodox, Ukrainian Orthodox, and so on. 00:31:12.25 evaschubert They're all Orthodox Eastern Christians. But there was a time when the Christian world was one. And then we have this moment where it divided it's very much been disconnected ever since. 00:31:27.14 evaschubert And so this series was inspired by my own experience of, like, I knew what had happened because I've done my reading and I'm really interested in religious history just personally. 00:31:39.08 evaschubert But I was running into people that, you know, had no idea that Orthodox Christians were Christians. And I was sort of going, wow, I mean, this is a pretty serious gap. 00:31:49.96 evaschubert This is a really serious forgetting. And I think that a lot of people didn't really know much about it or had forgotten what it was or how it happened or why it mattered. 00:31:52.96 nextlevelguypodcast Mm-hmm. 00:31:59.58 evaschubert And I think it's not just an arcane piece of the past. It's highly relevant for how we understand ourselves and other people around the world who share deep traditions in common with us, but we've forgotten about that. 00:32:15.82 evaschubert And so I did that series to address what I thought was a really under covered area. For example, I, you know, it depends. 00:32:24.74 nextlevelguypodcast yeah 00:32:28.54 nextlevelguypodcast I mean, that's what I love about your show. is like I consider myself like a major history fan. you know i'm I'm quite buff on some things. I'm still very, very poor on others, obviously. I find that even stuff I know about, I was listening to the show and there were things I was picking up going, 00:32:46.46 nextlevelguypodcast didn't know that? That's amazing. Now I need to find out about that. Like it inspired me, but even just for somebody who's coming new to it, you take take people on such a journey, an exciting journey, and you explain things in very and exciting, but very like layman terms that bring it alive you know you can make it full of emotion and you tell the story from a way like but almost like a song do you think you used your musical abilities to make the podcast play like a song rather than just a history lesson 00:33:23.94 evaschubert I think there's a very deliberate focus on the human experience that I try to use as the guiding principle for the podcast. 00:33:34.80 evaschubert Because for people to care, they have to see themselves in that moment to really understand it. 00:33:42.52 nextlevelguypodcast Mm-hmm. 00:33:44.32 evaschubert And so you have to be able to put your listener in that moment and understand what's motivating these people here to act the way they do. And how do they understand the world? 00:33:54.41 evaschubert How does it look to them? What are they afraid of? what are the forces that are shaping their lives and the things that constrain their actions. And when you do that, people can step into those shoes and they can get a sense of what the world looked like from there. 00:34:12.58 evaschubert And so in that sense, you're right that good music also is transmitting an emotional experience from the musician to the audience. 00:34:24.23 evaschubert The language or the tools that we use are different, but the goal is the same. If I write a song that's just really particular and specific to me, then it's like a journal entry. 00:34:35.22 evaschubert It's not going to speak to people. 00:34:37.16 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 00:34:37.23 evaschubert But if I can take the elements of my experience and I can communicate them in a way that others can see themselves in it, now that is something that has that quality that we're aiming for. 00:34:51.04 evaschubert So you're quite accurate, actually, in pointing out that parallel. And I hadn't thought of it that way. But yes, that is the goal. It's just a very different set of tools that we use to do that. 00:35:04.40 nextlevelguypodcast Because that's something I was kind of intrigued about was that you've talked about art and some of your relate your reels and stuff. But was always interested about your take on the music of the time and how it portrayed and how it demonstrated the cultural understanding and the beliefs of the time period. 00:35:22.50 nextlevelguypodcast But i mean, for people who are very like, because sadly, it's you don't really see many people are historically interested as much nowadays. 00:35:33.43 nextlevelguypodcast They're all too busy in likes and Snapchat and all that kind of crap. But they're missing out on such amazing stories about who we are and why we are the way we are. who are good sort of entry points or who are, who who are good? Like if you were just getting into this time period or you want somebody to be interested in history would be great role models or start here and then work back or start, you know, I know it's a massive timeline you've got to work with, but are there people that jump out that you think are great? 00:36:05.71 nextlevelguypodcast You know, like you need to check this guy out or learn his story or their story or her story. 00:36:11.99 evaschubert I mean, it depends sort of what a person is after. So I did a one-off podcast about the Battle of Britain, the Blitz, where the Nazis are bombing London. 00:36:24.89 nextlevelguypodcast Mm-hmm. 00:36:25.19 evaschubert And I did that story because... It's a moment of desperation and it's a moment of determination that I think we've forgotten about. 00:36:37.02 evaschubert When we talk about World War II in schools, we have the Allies and we have the Axis and the Allies were these countries and they won. And then the Axis is over here and we have the Holocaust. 00:36:47.66 evaschubert And we sort of have these big sort of teaching points. which is fine and unnecessary. But what we miss is that the outcome of that war was not known to the people who were living through it day by day. 00:37:06.50 evaschubert And the choices that people had to make in the face of fear and destruction to persist and not to surrender That's a human thing. 00:37:19.67 evaschubert And so the story of the Blitz on London, it's called Operation Pied Piper on the podcast. It's a fascinating story because parents in London were making the decision to put their children on trains and send them out into the countryside. 00:37:41.95 evaschubert Because they were pretty convinced that the chances of fatality were high for those children to stay with their parents in London. And so trying to imagine for a moment yourself, I mean, I don't know if you're a parent, but surely you know people who are, to say, these are my children. 00:38:00.73 evaschubert They're the humans that I'm... that I'm most responsible for, that I care most for in the world. And I'm going to put them on a train and I'm going to send them into the care of strangers. 00:38:12.54 evaschubert But I am going to stay here in London because we have a war to fight and we're not surrendering. These are decisions that everyday people made, that families made. 00:38:23.86 evaschubert We're not talking about soldiers at the front who had their own massive sacrifices to make. These were everyday people who are waking up in bombed out parts of the city, who are listening to buildings collapse into rubble at night and finding their neighbors dead the next morning and living under this months. 00:38:46.55 evaschubert And of course, there's political pressure to say, let's find a solution. Let's make a deal with Hitler. I mean, France is already out of the game. Britain is fighting alone. 00:38:56.92 evaschubert We can't possibly survive this. How many more British people need to die? Let's just make a deal with Hitler. There would have been massive political pressure for this. And yet they said no. 00:39:10.77 evaschubert And so the courage to say no under those conditions requires a level of conviction and belief in something worth fighting for that wonder if people these countries have right now. 00:39:27.54 evaschubert And I have the sense that remembering these moments gives us a sense of, 00:39:28.94 nextlevelguypodcast Mm-hmm. 00:39:33.62 evaschubert who we are and what the sacrifices were that were made so that we could remain as we are. And that raises the question of, well, what are the decisions we have to make? 00:39:45.92 evaschubert I mean, there's a direct line. If we don't know anything about this and we just sort of know that history is a bunch of battles that were won, things that happened, we don't see ourselves as players, right? 00:39:57.78 evaschubert We see heads of state and sort of armies and accords and that's it. But the truth is that the outcome of these things very much depends on the ordinary man or woman and decisions that they make individually and collectively. 00:40:13.95 evaschubert And when we understand that, we understand our present differently. 00:40:20.14 nextlevelguypodcast I love that. I love the way you look at it because it's true. i mean, how many people just now would not be able to explain who Churchill was or what he did? They could give you some bargain basement about... 00:40:31.57 nextlevelguypodcast Love Island and all this kind of nonsense TV. But it's when you learn about... I mean, I like learning about the Clan Mackay history to see who like who how the Scottish people adapted, what happened with the Highland Clearances and how that's changed the the landscape in America with as just... 00:40:48.06 evaschubert Thank 00:40:53.83 nextlevelguypodcast absorbably going anywhere we can get a drink basically. you know there's so There's so many things that we do when you look at our history but something that comes across in a lot of things is Did you notice us how much history is changed by the arrogance of people, by the lack of understanding, by the the just the general stupidity almost? 00:41:17.03 nextlevelguypodcast You know, if you look at like Magna Carta, the provisions of Oxford, um just for like our kind of like that sort of the UK, you start seeing it's because of the arrogance of kings, which caused this to come out, which is something that we celebrate today. 00:41:33.41 nextlevelguypodcast Do you see that nowadays that a lot of who we are and how our societies are run are thinking because somebody couldn't keep it in their pants? Somebody was too arrogant. Somebody believed they were better than they truly were. 00:41:47.56 nextlevelguypodcast That it's it's almost like we we're because they were punished, we've got the society we have today. 00:41:54.70 evaschubert Yeah, absolutely. um we We actually see this a bunch of times, when whether you're looking at the French Revolution, whether you're looking at Magna Carta, whether you're looking at English overreach in the American colonies. 00:42:09.91 evaschubert There are all these sort of systems that are set up for extraction and for domination. And the people in charge of them feel very secure maintaining these systems which benefit those in control of them and subject everyone else until such time as somebody decides we've had enough. 00:42:29.79 evaschubert And then there's this massive sort of reaction. And we looked at this with the Peasants' War. did a two-episode series on the Peasants' War in Germany. And it was the largest peasants' rebellion in Europe prior to the French Revolution. 00:42:43.65 evaschubert It was massive. Hundreds of thousands of people coordinated in a resistance to... being serfs to being basically slaves on the land in what is now modern Germany and rose up against the noblemen and the princes of the church who were also nobles, but you could be like a bishop in charge of a monastery which owned a plot of land and it had serfs on it that required to provide labor for that land. 00:43:15.66 evaschubert And it was incredible. And it's hardly ever covered. But this was a massive movement of people who said, enough. Our conditions are unjust. 00:43:26.46 evaschubert We've endured and endured and endured and endured. It's never enough for you people. You keep tightening, tightening the restrictions on us and imposing yet more taxes and rules and things. 00:43:39.53 evaschubert And you had a massive armed rebellion. It was incredible. And it's not really talked about very much. But the fact is that systems that make the powerful comfortable stay in place until they can't, because people make it impossible for them to stay in place. 00:44:00.83 evaschubert And And that can happen through concerted civil action. Sometimes there's violence, sometimes there isn't. But there has to be a massive coordinated effort. That's what changes things. So, again, know, while these lessons we can look at as test cases in history, the fundamental underlying principles haven't changed. 00:44:23.02 evaschubert And so when we look at our own situation, if you say, well, I don't like this or I don't like that, it's not enough to sit back and say, oh, well, our systems are run by powerful people. 00:44:33.27 evaschubert There's nothing we can do about it. Well, if you know your history, you know that we've been here before and we've seen worse. And there are, in fact, things that people can do about it. And it's people doing things about it that cause it to change. 00:44:45.77 evaschubert It's not going to change on its own. 00:44:48.72 nextlevelguypodcast No, that's a great point. And that's why I think the problem is we're now so far away from understanding our history or seeing or like, you know, where we've come from. 00:45:00.16 nextlevelguypodcast People are forgetting the the blood, the sweat, the tears, the effort it took to get us to this point. I mean, something that comes across get big in a lot of history is the story of women. 00:45:13.14 nextlevelguypodcast You know, they went from being men's objects almost to being political pawns to get, you know, like two nations to unite with like ah weddings if they were a princess. 00:45:27.13 nextlevelguypodcast to then fighting for the vote and then finally getting the vote and now being in charge of countries and in power and stuff. 00:45:27.35 evaschubert Thank 00:45:33.89 nextlevelguypodcast But when you look back to that, they were a witch if they had a better crop than in some people, if someone and somebody accused them. There's all these amazingly stupid things. And now I've seen when Trump was up, it was it the first or the second one? I can't remember. 00:45:48.95 nextlevelguypodcast And some of his supporters were saying, no, no, my husband will vote for us. He he take he dictates what the family do. And I was thinking, you not understand the... 00:45:59.48 evaschubert Yes. 00:45:59.61 nextlevelguypodcast There were just women who had to throw themselves under horses to try to get the vote. 00:46:02.88 evaschubert yes 00:46:03.79 nextlevelguypodcast The suffragette movement fought for so many years. some People died because to give you the vote. And they were just going to give it away. And I think that's the terrifying thing about it. 00:46:15.10 nextlevelguypodcast And I really like the idea of... because your podcast is called Villains and Virgins, that I was thinking, you know what, great if we could do some shows just on the importance of women and how everywhere you see these amazing things happening, there's always an amazing woman there. 00:46:31.69 nextlevelguypodcast ah Even if she's behind the scenes, like um Henry Tudor's wife, at mother even, you know, there's all the... 00:46:36.28 evaschubert Thank you. 00:46:37.82 nextlevelguypodcast there's always amazing women who prop up these despots, natters that we all hear about, like Henry VIII and all that. How do you see the role of women now in it? 00:46:49.81 nextlevelguypodcast you know How have you seen it evolved over the podcast you're doing and the importance, especially to women and and young girls, of saying, you know you're like Boudicca, Cleopatra, all these like amazing people. 00:47:04.17 nextlevelguypodcast But we look at Kardashians and go, that's what you should aspire to. How how how do we inspire women today? 00:47:12.11 evaschubert Yeah, this is a wonderful question. And it's something I think about a lot because the stories we remember and the stories we forget shape our ideas about what's possible for us. 00:47:25.35 evaschubert And so the erasure of women from history, you know, the ignore, I mean, you've named some very important high-level women, Cleopatra, Boudicca, Eleanor of Aquitaine, absolutely. 00:47:37.72 nextlevelguypodcast Oh, 00:47:38.44 evaschubert If I asked the average person on the street about them, Cleopatra would ring a bell because she's been Hollywoodized. We all saw Liz Taylor do, you know, Cleopatra with the eye paint. 00:47:48.30 nextlevelguypodcast ah yeah. 00:47:49.82 evaschubert um so So, but she would crop up as a sex symbol. But she was so much more than that. She was very savvy political operator who survived multiple assassination attempts, who had to fight for power in her own family, 00:47:58.40 nextlevelguypodcast nice 00:48:06.95 evaschubert who had to try and navigate a path for Egypt, which the Romans wanted to dominate and control. mean, she was a very, very, she spoke multiple languages. 00:48:19.93 evaschubert She was incredibly well-educated. She was a very smart woman and a very brave woman in terms of daring to make decisions that had high costs attached to failing. 00:48:33.05 evaschubert in the effort to secure something for her family, for her country. So what's interesting about that is that when we look at the Kardashians and we look at the Liz Taylor version of Cleopatra, it reduces women to one thing, which is basically sex objects. 00:48:53.17 evaschubert And the message that that sends to young girls today is that this is your mission and this is your purpose. 00:48:53.51 nextlevelguypodcast Mm-hmm. 00:49:00.68 evaschubert And you fail to the extent to which you're not a sex object. It's such a partial and incomplete and not even fully human version of anything. 00:49:15.08 evaschubert And it sort of reduces women to focusing on the superficial, you know, oh, let me worry about my nails and my lashes and my clothes. And it almost encourages them to become a caricature of themselves. 00:49:28.45 evaschubert you know, focus on this superficial looks based thing and also to be constantly worried and in fear that my looks aren't as good as that airbrushed AI generated image of something over there online, I'm failing and I'm not good enough. 00:49:43.16 evaschubert When we totally fail to recognize with the stories that we tell and remember the very important roles that women have played that were related to things far more important than their sex appeal. 00:49:56.57 evaschubert I mean, sex appeal is a great thing to have. Don't get me wrong. But I'm not suggesting that people wear sackcloth and cut their hair off so that they can abjure sex appeal. But I'm saying there's so much more that matters than that. 00:50:07.11 nextlevelguypodcast but 00:50:08.68 evaschubert And I don't think that girls get this message. And I know there's a lot of talk about girl power and so on, which it kind of nauseates me because it's content free. 00:50:20.35 evaschubert It's just mantras and slogans that get chanted, you know, girl power, hee hee. And I'm like, well, how about we actually have some examples of women doing useful things instead of just, you know, chanting these infantilized slogans because they don't mean anything and they don't inspire. 00:50:36.12 evaschubert It's not an object lesson in something that was accomplished. It's just something that, you know, you hear on these sort of programs or videos. So I think that remembering these stories, 00:50:49.62 evaschubert And as you point out, I mean, it has real world effects. If you see women in the States, some of them are willing to sort of hand off their votes. It's because they have no understanding of the cost that was paid to get that and the existence that they women endured before they had such a thing. 00:51:09.19 evaschubert They just don't understand any of that. And so to them, it seems like not a big deal. Oh, I don't really need to vote anyway. I mean, I have the same opinion as my husband right now. So, you know, whatever. 00:51:20.95 evaschubert Whereas if you understand that women were essentially chattel like cattle to be traded, bought and sold, beaten, had no rights under the law whatsoever. 00:51:28.71 nextlevelguypodcast Nope. 00:51:34.35 evaschubert And you see the incredible struggle that was fought for them to become persons under the law with rights as citizens by themselves, not as an extension of some man's identity or property. 00:51:47.41 evaschubert If you knew that, you wouldn't be casually handing it away, but it's because we've forgotten these things. that people make choices that are manifestly not in their interest. 00:51:59.26 evaschubert So it's not a kind of an academic subject. I think it's a vital subject for understanding who we are and the choices that we face right now. 00:52:09.18 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah, beautifully said. And mean that's what scares me is that my little niece is growing up and that's the kind of crap that she'll see rather than be told about how like um Margaret, I can't remember her surname, the Henry Tudor's mother. 00:52:24.40 nextlevelguypodcast where she was married 12. 00:52:24.83 evaschubert Yes. 00:52:26.77 nextlevelguypodcast She had her first kid that almost killed her. She was widowed at 19. She kept herself alive by amazing intrigue through the different kings and wars and eventually helped create the like the Tudor dynasty. 00:52:45.07 nextlevelguypodcast And when you see how long she lived, that she outlived king after king, and we then only know about the guy because... it's it was male dominated all the way through and i think that's sometimes what we need to explain to people, not just women but people of different cultures to say this is where you've come from this is why the Scots are maybe like the hardy bastards that we are compare because of the the hardship we have to endure, this is why these kind of people have the arrogance, these kind of people because you know it it's how we understand the culture because of where we've come from 00:53:11.03 evaschubert Mm-hmm. 00:53:23.39 nextlevelguypodcast But is there anything that's really surprised you as you've come along? I mean, I listen to some of your shows and people think witches, for example. You know, none of them would believe that they're so they were male witches. 00:53:34.44 nextlevelguypodcast No one would believe that they tortured heretics because they believed that it was actually good for their souls. You know, things like that, you're kind of like, what the fuck? 00:53:45.91 nextlevelguypodcast you learn so much from your your podcast, but has there been something that's really kind of blown you away or changed your perspective on something by your research into it? 00:53:46.35 evaschubert yeah 00:53:56.54 evaschubert A bunch of things. I mean, speaking of of torture and heretics, the Spanish Inquisition is something that is widely misunderstood, including by myself until I started doing the reading on this, because we kind of think, oh, yes, the Spanish Inquisition. 00:54:10.41 evaschubert So lots of torture and arrest and witch burning. Well, they were burning people, but not witches. 00:54:14.25 nextlevelguypodcast Hmm. 00:54:16.16 evaschubert In fact, the Spanish Inquisition was extremely skeptical and dubious about the concept of witches. That was something that was going on in Protestant areas in Europe. 00:54:30.65 evaschubert So the witch burning, which we associate with superstition and hatred, which it was, wasn't a Spanish Inquisition problem. Now, they had their own problems. 00:54:41.31 evaschubert They were worried about, and this really surprised me, they were really worried about Jewish converts or sort of crypto Jews in Spain. 00:54:51.55 evaschubert And so I didn't realize until I dug into it, the Spanish Inquisition was very much focused on minorities. more than heretical Catholics. 00:55:02.29 evaschubert It wasn't really about, you know, a Catholic who had a wrong theological belief, although those people would be caught up. But it was much more about people who appeared to be Catholics, but were perhaps actually Jewish or Muslim. 00:55:16.63 evaschubert and who had converted because pressure had been brought to bear on these minorities, that if you don't convert or leave, you're going to lose your property or your life or whatever. 00:55:27.19 evaschubert And so there were these people who were converting because there was political pressure. And then the people exerting the pressure were rightly concerned that, well, I'm not sure these are these are conversions of conviction. I think these might be conversions of convenience. 00:55:42.90 evaschubert Well, yes, yes. Maybe under the circumstances you have reason to believe that. Maybe you should stop creating these 00:55:48.46 nextlevelguypodcast but What gave it away? yeah it's ah It's like when they used to drown them, then it's like if you swam, you were then taken away and that you you were punished by being able to swim. 00:56:01.77 nextlevelguypodcast But you know and it's like if you drowned, you were Christian. 00:56:05.54 evaschubert innocent. 00:56:06.88 nextlevelguypodcast It's like, bloody hell. you When you hear some of the stuff... 00:56:09.52 evaschubert use those propositions. 00:56:12.34 nextlevelguypodcast I mean, it was like when a king was publishing books about how, like King James, about how they were witches and they were devil and you were like... ah What hope has somebody who's got no teachings when somebody who was given the best of the best of the teachings of the time believed tripe, basically, that... And I know that we've given these people, um you know, that's our posthumously clearance... Clearance? 00:56:39.96 nextlevelguypodcast Oh, I can't speak today. You know, that we've realized that we've given them pardons and we've made them... ah We've taught people about... just the ignorance and the misunderstanding of how the danger that it can cause in society. 00:56:55.71 nextlevelguypodcast I think it is scary. that Do you think that the the misunderstanding even now of how people will use Twitter as a source, they'll use a dot com as a source, whereas in a college or university, you would not accept anything even remotely close to that that's not being peer-reviewed or you know Could you explain so I can finally put this out and say, how on earth do we gauge a historical fact? 00:57:27.89 nextlevelguypodcast Because people say, such and such said that on our web website that's true. How can we get people to actually see this truthfully? 00:57:32.79 evaschubert You know, 00:57:36.42 evaschubert I have this conversation with my students every semester because I have a whole section on reliable sources and I give them guidelines for evaluating sources online. 00:57:48.29 evaschubert And we talk about peer review sources and I explain to them that I have a whole section on this where I say to them, know, it's not just about keeping a professor happy. 00:57:58.42 evaschubert This is not just something we do in university because we have these strange rules about academic sources. I was like, this is something that every one of us is responsible for every day, because when we're online and we're irresponsibly sharing things that are not accurate, we're actually contributing. 00:58:19.03 evaschubert to what is called familiarity bias. And this is something that propagandists like Goebbels knew a long time ago. And it's very simply this, the more frequently you hear something, the more truthful it sounds, no matter how outrageous the claim. 00:58:35.00 evaschubert So the first time that you heard that there was no such thing as a moon landing and it was all staged, you think, oh, how absurd, what a lunatic idea. But by the time you've heard it 50 times, 00:58:48.13 evaschubert because people are sharing this and sending it and posting it all over the internet, it begins to sound kind of credible, like, oh, you know, maybe that could have happened. I mean, and it's strictly because you've heard it repeated enough times. 00:59:02.59 evaschubert And we've seen this happen so many times. think it's dramatically accelerated in the last five years. And it's one of the major crises of our age. 00:59:14.66 evaschubert I mean, and the test, the most ridiculous example of this that I give to students is I say, you know, we're in 2025 and people are using cell phones that are powered by satellites circulating around the planet, sending signals and using these devices, they assert that the world is flat like a pancake. 00:59:34.96 evaschubert Now, going back to something that but smart guys in the high Middle Ages didn't believe. 00:59:37.33 nextlevelguypodcast Yep. 00:59:41.37 evaschubert I mean, I just finished an episode on the Normans in Sicily, and they had a cartography project led by Muslim by the name of Muhammad al-Adrisi in like who believes 00:59:53.38 evaschubert who's who believes 00:59:53.74 nextlevelguypodcast I've got skip. 00:59:55.97 evaschubert that the world is round and he's actually estimated the circumference to within a thousand kilometers of the actual diameter of it. So this guy back then knew more about the world than people right now with their high tech digital devices. 01:00:13.49 evaschubert And so it's ironic and it's tragic because on the one hand, we have access to more information at a fingertip than we've ever had before in human history. But It's so mixed up with absolute nonsense and rubbish that people are flooded with this stream and it's got everything in it. 01:00:36.81 evaschubert And they're really having trouble distinguishing between what in here is information and what is misleading, misreported or outright false and downright crazy in some cases. 01:00:48.57 evaschubert And the inability to distinguish fact from fiction in this torrent of content that is coming at us all the time is leading to some really terrifying consequences. 01:00:48.71 nextlevelguypodcast Mm-hmm. 01:01:00.55 evaschubert I mean, we've seen this anti-science, the growth of an actual animosity towards science, specifically in medicine, since COVID, when you had conspiracies going around saying, oh, my God, you know, 01:01:14.55 evaschubert All of the nations of the world, all the governments of the world, and every public health expert you've ever heard are collaborating in a massive lie about this pandemic, which isn't actually happening. 01:01:26.98 evaschubert It's a hoax that they're perpetrating on you for some nefarious purpose. 01:01:29.72 nextlevelguypodcast Yep. 01:01:31.85 evaschubert But here I am in this YouTube video telling you the truth. But never mind all those people. Every one of them are lying, and they're cooperating in a way that's heath or too unprecedented. 01:01:40.63 nextlevelguypodcast ah These hundreds of thousands of people are all going to keep the same secret. 01:01:41.30 evaschubert like 01:01:44.43 evaschubert Yes. 01:01:45.26 nextlevelguypodcast No. 01:01:45.24 evaschubert I mean, it's it it just beggars the imagination. But there's this other thing, which is which is confirmation bias, and which is that people are far more likely to accept and agree with things that confirm their existing beliefs. 01:01:59.87 evaschubert And so if you already come to community where 01:02:00.29 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 01:02:03.09 evaschubert you sort of think there are global conspiracies, or if you've already been exposed to the idea that everyone is lying to you, this is just an extension of that same premise. And the problem is that once you admit this one premise that all the authorities you know are lying to you, then everything you know about reality is up for grabs. 01:02:24.17 evaschubert You actually know nothing at that point. And you're wide open for the most bizarre and outlandish claims because having eliminated all recognized sources of information as trustworthy and having agreed to accept only this podcast host or this YouTuber or this politician as your source of information, 01:02:49.60 evaschubert Anything is possible. And it's tempting for people because I think there's an overwhelm. I think people are overwhelmed and it's hard work to pay attention and to say, know, what is the website that's publishing the source? 01:03:05.23 evaschubert What is the organization behind it? Who is the author of this source? What are their credentials? Are they involved or invested in some way in the matter which they are reporting on? You know, these things all have, can you cross check this information with other sources that are known to be reliable? 01:03:22.28 evaschubert Do they confirm? Or is this source the only one that makes this claim? You know, these are basic tools that all of us should be using, but it's amazing to me how absent they are from most people's decision-making calculus. 01:03:36.96 evaschubert And I think that people are overwhelmed and so they revert to tribalism. They just say, this guy is from my party or this guy makes the right sort of catch words that identify him as a member of my tribe. 01:03:49.95 evaschubert Therefore, Whatever he says, I'm just going to accept. And you come from the other tribe, because I think you've used some of the wrong words. And so whatever you say, not going to listen to. 01:04:02.61 evaschubert And it just simplifies everything for you. But the cost of that simplification is the truth. Yeah. 01:04:11.67 nextlevelguypodcast no no amazingly put because you see that it's like oh this is my this is my source and it turns out it just so happens to be the guy that believes the exact same thing as them know the the echo chamber, and both sides are guilty of it. 01:04:22.72 evaschubert Yes. 01:04:25.56 nextlevelguypodcast i mean, I'm sure I'd do that myself, but I try to at least go and see, does the the condescending guy have a point? Does the person who has just called me cunt in the discussion, I'll at least sit and go, have they got point? Is there a validity in this? 01:04:45.53 nextlevelguypodcast And then I'll go and look for sources that... prove one way or the other and think if we if more people did that we would probably be a lot happier as a society and probably we wouldn't have the divert the division that we have in gaps i mean look at the world just now we're going tariff crazy and we're changing this we're doing that 01:05:03.68 evaschubert Yes. 01:05:06.47 nextlevelguypodcast Probably just dated this podcast. But, um you know, and it's people who are sitting there who don't understand something. Oh, it's a conspiracy. Oh, no, it's a government-made thing in China. 01:05:18.11 nextlevelguypodcast You know, you think after coming out out of that and after seeing what smallpox did with vaccines, how we changed the world back then. But we're seeing science adapt in real time. Of course, there's going to be mistakes. 01:05:31.18 nextlevelguypodcast But it came out and it saved the the world. Yeah, people are going to have... little bumps here and there. But it does I don't believe for a second it's killing hundreds of thousands and it's some big thing to plague as a... What was it? Something about putin um changing our DNA. That was the what the beauty I heard. 01:05:50.21 nextlevelguypodcast That a vaccine was changing in our DNA. and and A friend that I worked with the the university he said that to me and I was like, get out. 01:05:58.71 evaschubert Yes. 01:05:59.10 nextlevelguypodcast And it just bugs me that smart people can fall for that. But it's like you said, open the door a wee bit. it gets in, a bit more smoke gets in, and before you know it, you don't have the confidence anymore. 01:06:11.03 nextlevelguypodcast So you can fall for any stupidity. 01:06:14.59 evaschubert yes 01:06:14.75 nextlevelguypodcast ah I think we could put the world to right. And that's why I love that your show is there, because you're putting this stuff out, but you're also explaining it from the sources. You're explaining it from the the mother tongue, from the the people who've written from the... you know you're quoting sources you're not just saying well this is my opinion you're actually explaining it from various sources and teaching people about it and if they're open-minded there's a lot to learn ah do you ah how do you juggle that you know you're you're singing you're teaching you're doing all these amazing things how do you you like outside nature fitness you know you're all you do a lot of that stuff but how do you juggle all that and how do you get time to emotionally physically mentally recharge for life 01:06:50.54 evaschubert yeah 01:07:01.96 evaschubert and question. Well, there's a massive amount of reading, first of all, that goes into any podcast that I do. i mean, typically I go to the library and I come back with a stack of books and I also go and I get some journal articles, which I download, you know, from journals online. 01:07:16.25 evaschubert And I'm going through these things and I'm making notes and I'm starting to construct like the timeline of what happened. And then I have to get deeper and I have to get... because questions emerge I'm getting to grips with who the players are and what they're doing, then I want to know, well, why? 01:07:33.98 evaschubert what sort of person was this? And why would they do that? And so then I've got look now for specific answers to these questions that are emerging. And so there's more looking and more reading. And I do try to include quotes from primary sources wherever I can, because it gives people a flavor of what closer to those events are saying and how they're seeing it and how it looks to them, how they're writing it down. 01:07:59.48 evaschubert And sometimes even discussing that, you know, this source is known to be 01:08:07.32 evaschubert very, very negative towards this king. Like this source was consistently said only the worst things about this king. And to put that into context and say, you know, We don't just do history by opening one source and reading off the page and saying, this is the fact. 01:08:24.01 evaschubert I mean, historians have to juggle different sources of information and they have to weigh them off against each other and try to figure out, what is the reliable account of these facts that we can extract from all these different things? 01:08:38.22 evaschubert It's not easy. So there's a lot of work that goes into that. With regard to my own work-life balance, it's hard. 01:08:51.98 evaschubert I feel sort of 01:08:57.46 evaschubert like there's always a task list that I'm behind on, really. Working out is something that, yeah, but But there have to be things that are not negotiable. 01:09:08.79 evaschubert So for me, fitness is one of those things that I view as kind of a foundational part of my identity and functionality. And so that means that that happens every week on a schedule without fail, unless I'm sick. 01:09:25.61 evaschubert So there's heavy lifting four times week. And then there's cardio and tango dancing, because in the past two years, I've become a tango addict. So that's a thing. 01:09:36.39 evaschubert um So those things happen on a very regular basis. Now, sometimes when I'm deep in a project, I can't spare six hours to go up a mountain. 01:09:49.96 evaschubert I'm going to be doing more of that in the summer as the weather is better and the hours are longer. There's more daylight, which kind of gives you a buffer for getting yourself on and off those areas. 01:09:59.78 nextlevelguypodcast Mm-hmm. 01:10:00.18 evaschubert But I kind of cycle some of those things. So the fitness is not negotiable, but how it's expressed sometimes varies. There are times when I'll be doing, you know, longer runs and less hiking or vice versa. 01:10:17.09 evaschubert The singing is something that I've had to sort of put on hold for the last couple of months, just because getting to grips with doing what it takes to bring the podcast to the next level means that I have to allocate more time to it than I had before. 01:10:35.22 evaschubert And there's a fixed amount of time that's available. 01:10:35.56 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. Mm-hmm. 01:10:37.86 evaschubert So it's got to come from somewhere. I'm hoping that once the podcast is sort of stabilized on its new rhythm and its new structure, that I'll be able to then find the time to commit to going back in. 01:10:51.20 evaschubert I mean, I still write, I still sing sort of, you know, on my own, but I haven't sat down and said, okay, you know, this is the next album I want to make, or this is the next tour I'm going to do. 01:11:04.61 evaschubert I have that material around and I'm always thinking about more of it, but there's a limited amount of energy that I can devote to that. So last year was much more invested in doing music things and the Italian tour and promoting my last album and doing all the press and stuff around that. 01:11:25.17 evaschubert So that was where a lot of my creative energy went. And this year, the podcast has got the front running seat because I'm trying to build it into something that it wasn't before. 01:11:36.87 evaschubert So sometimes I have to make trade-offs in terms of, you know, I have this many numbers in a day this many hours in a day. So where am I going invest those hours? Where do they need to go most urgently? 01:11:49.00 nextlevelguypodcast makes a lot of sense. And then you sort deep dive in and you really focus on that passion. But it also allows you then to sort of recharge the the singing batteries while you're focusing on the podcast. 01:11:54.14 evaschubert Yeah. 01:11:59.14 nextlevelguypodcast And then vice versa, I mean, it kind of answers my vice server last question was going to be about how do you, like, what's next? you know what's Because now you're going to be a tango dancing superstar. 01:12:11.76 nextlevelguypodcast You're going to be a podcasting legend. You're going to be a singing maestro. You're what is the Are these just creative passions for you? Or are you wanting to do these full time? What do you want the the evolution of your brand, I suppose? 01:12:28.34 nextlevelguypodcast How do you want to take this? you know If you look back at this, would you think, yeah, I did a podcast, I did this, I did this. Or do you want to think, I gave it all. I left my job and I went full into the music. or you know Have you thought that far ahead? 01:12:45.32 evaschubert Yes. So I have a problem, which is that I really dislike being mediocre at anything. 01:12:54.17 evaschubert I really, really don't like I just I'm not happy to be sort of OK at something. So if I'm going to do it, I really want to be good at it. And so if you combine that with the fact that I also have multiple things that I really want to do, it explains a lot about my schedule and what pulls me around, right? 01:13:15.84 evaschubert I mean, it's not enough for me to be able to dance tango 01:13:16.24 nextlevelguypodcast Yep. yep 01:13:20.95 evaschubert For the last three weeks, I've been doing like a show tango seminar where we're leaping in the air and doing these like show moves that social dancers never do. Only elite performers do. 01:13:32.66 evaschubert And yes, of course, I want to do that. Right. So obviously I'm there. So what's happening is I've kind of got this interesting moment where my regular college teaching job is about to disappear. 01:13:47.09 evaschubert And this is because our government has made some changes to do with international students. And so that's causing cutbacks across all higher education institutions across Canada, because international students have been a major part of the operating budget. 01:14:02.80 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 01:14:02.73 evaschubert And that has just appeared. So everyone's got problems. I've been teaching at college for more than decade and that's sort of been my main gig in terms of paying bills. 01:14:16.30 evaschubert But I'm fortunate in that I've had some warning with this. And so I've had to make decision about, do I want to just, okay, find another career? 01:14:30.62 evaschubert Or do I want to take what I love and try to make that my full time? 01:14:37.87 nextlevelguypodcast Hmm. 01:14:37.84 evaschubert And I'm currently opting for that second option, which is, mean, wanted to get a PhD because I wanted to be paid to nerd out on reading scholarly stuff and write about it and talk about it. Like that was my idea of a dream job. 01:14:53.29 evaschubert And for various reasons, I didn't go ahead with that, largely to do with the state of the industry and people leaving it to do real estate. I mean, there's a whole other conversation about how higher education is being restructured so that those jobs don't exist anymore. 01:15:07.60 evaschubert But it it didn't end up making a lot of sense. 01:15:07.82 nextlevelguypodcast That's why I left mine. 01:15:11.14 nextlevelguypodcast on. 01:15:13.18 evaschubert But if I could make the podcast more of a full-time thing, where I'm spending most of my time getting up and doing the research and making these episodes, that is a dream job to me. 01:15:27.38 evaschubert And so that is actually my focus right now, is growing the podcast and allowing that to be major... part of what I do and hopefully make it the main thing that I do financially speaking. 01:15:43.57 evaschubert So that's my focus for year. 01:15:49.18 nextlevelguypodcast And why did you pick that particular title? Because I know we've talked about the podcast, but could you give a little synopsis and and a bit behind the meaning of the title? Because guess a brilliant title. 01:16:01.66 nextlevelguypodcast But when I said it to my mom, she was kind of like, what i what was the, what was the the i want to say the logic, what was the thinking behind calling it that? And how would you sell it to somebody who's looking for a new podcast to listen to? 01:16:16.76 evaschubert Okay, so those are two questions and I'll take the title one first. 01:16:20.01 nextlevelguypodcast I'll wait for the first one. 01:16:20.22 evaschubert So yeah, yeah yeah the the meaning for that title comes more from the the poet brain than the logic brain. 01:16:21.01 nextlevelguypodcast This is going to be brilliant. 01:16:29.57 evaschubert And ah it has an alliterative quality 01:16:32.44 nextlevelguypodcast That's an album title for you. 01:16:34.93 evaschubert It's alliterative quality. i mean, you have the double you have the double syllable, villains, virgins, right? But also it it's it's evocative because it kind of gives you two extremes on the spectrum. 01:16:41.47 nextlevelguypodcast No. 01:16:47.00 evaschubert A virgin is someone that we think of as very naive and very unknowing about a lot of things. And a villain, of course, is somebody who's very experienced and very nefarious in lots of ways. 01:16:58.09 evaschubert And so they're sort of opposites on the spectrum. And They are the sorts of types that show up in a lot of history stories. 01:17:06.45 nextlevelguypodcast Mm-hmm. 01:17:09.02 evaschubert And so I wanted to gesture at the fact that this is going to be a history podcast about colorful characters. This is not going to be period specific history, just the history of Western Europe or just the history of religion or whatever. 01:17:26.11 evaschubert This is going to be a history about colorful characters and great stories. And that's what I wanted to gesture at with the title, but I wanted to make it kind of catchy and memorable. 01:17:40.12 evaschubert And so I was just sort of tossing things around and it was the poet part of my brain that likes to put words together in interesting ways that went villains and virgins. Yeah, it's got a good ring to it. I like the sound of that. And that makes sense. Boom. 01:17:50.76 evaschubert Let's let's do that. So that's how the title came across. How I would sell it to people would be this is history as storytelling. 01:18:02.83 evaschubert It's history with a human face and it's history with contemporary relevance. Because don't, I mean, while I'm a nerd, I would self-describe self-confessed history nerd, I deliberately focus my stories on themes and questions that I think are important and relevant to think about. 01:18:27.62 evaschubert So I'm not interested in counting the number of X's on a Frankish gold work buckle because isn't it so interesting how Frankish gold work from the 6th century was different from Frankish gold work from the 9th century? 01:18:27.99 nextlevelguypodcast no 01:18:41.46 evaschubert There are people who do that and that's great. That's not what I'm doing. So if I'm going to tell you about the Franks, it's because I think there's something important about them that we can understand or learn from in a human way. 01:18:54.11 evaschubert And that's what I'm going to bring out. So it's not historical detail for kind of arcane, obscure trivia purposes. It's history with an application. 01:19:07.28 evaschubert It's history that you can resonate with. And that's what it's about. 01:19:12.37 nextlevelguypodcast I love that because it's certainly something you do. You make history fun, exciting, but educational. You learn by the stories, the people, the how you make the story of it that come alive. that You make it like not just educational, but exciting, fun. 01:19:31.75 nextlevelguypodcast it's and It's something that even now despite knowing tons of stuff about like a particular topic, for example, I'll listen and go, I didn't know that, didn't know that, that you um need to look into that person. 01:19:45.32 nextlevelguypodcast So no matter what stage you are at on the particular topic, you can get something from it. And I can't wait to see these amazing places you can go because there's a ton of history still to be covered. 01:19:58.21 nextlevelguypodcast And you're doing fantastic work. And the and mean when I left my educational job, it allowed me now to branch out into doing the podcast more. but I haven't made it full time yet. 01:20:08.46 evaschubert Thank 01:20:09.37 nextlevelguypodcast So I wish you had nothing but success for the future to get to that point because I think you've got something. you you know You've got this ability. Never mind just being an amazing singer, awesome person. 01:20:20.62 nextlevelguypodcast don't know what you're like at tango dancing, but I'm sure you're good at that. But you've got you know you've got you've got this ability to make podcasts exciting. like You are the kind of person that's designed for podcasting and singing. 01:20:35.66 nextlevelguypodcast What... do you want, it feels like it's been 10 minutes, but it's been an hour and 20, so apologies for using up so much your time, but What do you want people to do? 01:20:44.29 evaschubert I think that... 01:20:45.87 nextlevelguypodcast I would love to do another round because there's so many things to come into. I think you're awesome. You're ah fun, exciting. You're full of energy. you know I'm so glad we made this connection. But what would you want people to take from this? 01:20:58.38 nextlevelguypodcast As a sort of first introduction to Eva, the person, Eva, the podcaster, Eva, the singer, Eva, the tag dancer, Eva, the educational superstar. what What would you want them to take from this? 01:21:11.76 evaschubert i think 01:21:22.66 evaschubert I think it's a human thing. I don't think it's some special gift that only a few of us are privileged to receive. I think that everyone has their own impulse and their own gifts. And they might be different. 01:21:35.28 evaschubert For example, I have brother who's a genius at... 01:21:40.57 evaschubert creating things out of metal. And it started when he was in high school and he started making sets of gladiator armor for his friends out of tar paper and and making them look really realistic, like, you know, gladiator style. 01:21:55.58 evaschubert And he even made a fire breathing gladiator helmet 01:21:55.87 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 01:22:01.21 evaschubert And then he started making swords and they started having like fights in this armor. it It started as as some goofy little thing that, you know, he just loved and he gave it oxygen and he he allowed himself to be guided by that interest. 01:22:17.77 evaschubert And now the work that he does, is stunning. I mean, he's made handcrafted jewelry for me out of gold and gems. 01:22:28.18 evaschubert That is the envy of anyone who looks at it. He's made gold scale motorcycle bags that look like they came out of Jason and the Argonauts, but for a futuristic motorcycle gang. 01:22:39.86 evaschubert I mean, it's insane. And the abilities that he's developed are direct result of him giving himself the permission to pursue that nerdy, quirky set of interests that he had as a teenager. 01:22:55.01 evaschubert Now, just because you didn't pursue your interests as a teenager, it doesn't mean that you don't have them. The thing is that people don't give themselves permission. And I was having this conversation with a friend of mine after tango the other day, because here we are, bunch of people who are not kids necessarily anymore, and we're doing these insane tango moves. 01:23:14.58 evaschubert I mean, we're being lifted in the air, and we're flying across the room, and we're dancing on tables. I kid you not, there were tea tables involved, and we were on them. It was quite bizarre. 01:23:25.51 nextlevelguypodcast um ah I'm assuming Stefan's not here at this point. 01:23:25.65 evaschubert Yeah. 01:23:31.02 evaschubert ah and and and And so it was, think I said to my friend was, you know, I think that people get old when they lose the capacity play. 01:23:42.29 evaschubert when they cease to give themselves permission to do that thing just because it gives them joy, just because it's a quirky thing that makes them smile and they want to do it. 01:23:54.40 evaschubert And give yourself the permission to be silly and to play with something. And it's okay if you're not the best at it. And for some people, it might be painting. And for some people, it might be doing some crazy outdoor trip, might be, you know, working with stuff to make jewelry or whatever it is. 01:24:13.73 evaschubert But if your life is just about getting up, going to that job you have to do to pay the bills, and then coming home to sort of recover from that drinking and watching Netflix, that's no kind of a life. 01:24:28.95 evaschubert Honestly, it's a very unsatisfying life. It's a life where you're sort of numbing the edge off an existence which largely you're not enjoying. 01:24:39.83 evaschubert And so what I would say to people is give yourself the permission do things just because they make you happy. And if there's that little creative urge or itch or whatever it is, join a club, do the craft, play with the paint, whatever is that gives you joy, that. 01:25:00.61 evaschubert Because what you find, even if you never become great at that thing, what you find in the action of doing that is presence. You become totally absorbed in doing just that thing for the moments you're focused on it. 01:25:17.16 evaschubert And that experience is calming. It drowns out the rest of the noise in your mind and from your life. It puts you back into touch with the center of who you are. 01:25:27.98 evaschubert And it's deeply nourishing in a way that I have a hard time putting into words. And I can tell you that when I go and dance tango for a couple of hours on a Tuesday night, I come in there with the weight of all the things that are going on in my life and I leave... 01:25:44.88 evaschubert with a light step and joy in my heart. And I sleep with music in my mind. And, you know, people will reach that state of presence and forgetting and joy through their own roots, but you have to find those things and you have to build them into your life. 01:26:02.98 evaschubert Otherwise you're just surviving the rat race and then you die. So I'm saying that you need to find those things you need to build them into your life, whatever they are, and give yourself permission to do them just because they make you happy. 01:26:19.20 nextlevelguypodcast I love that. That's a beautiful way of putting that because it it's true. You never know. You might be crap at it. You might just enjoy it. It might just be a hobby. but you never know where it's going to take you. 01:26:28.38 evaschubert ye 01:26:29.87 nextlevelguypodcast I mean, I didn't think I'd ever be doing a podcast 200 odd episodes and speaking somebody like yourself, like I, are interviewing a guy yesterday about how we're not dead yet. And we need to take advantage of life and push and find, you know, create the venture within yourself and interviewing a guy who travels the world go over rapids. And after they're getting married and yeah all these amazing people who have interviewed over the show on it, 01:26:57.25 nextlevelguypodcast They all started that. They just let that creative itch get scratched. Before you know it, they have completely transformed their life. I would love to have you on again. I think you're a sensation. You're going to be a superstar. 01:27:10.21 nextlevelguypodcast For those people who want follow along, find the podcast, find you on social media, find your website. come and watch you perform how do we keep in touch how's the was gonna say how can we stalk you but that sounds wrong how can we find amazing work that you're doing 01:27:29.53 evaschubert um Well, and basically, if you look up my name, which is Eva Schubert, and that's S-C-H-U-B-E-R-T, then I'll show up everywhere. 01:27:41.17 evaschubert So the podcast is on all streaming platforms, and you find that under Villains and Virgins Podcast. If you look up my name on Spotify or platforms, you'll discover Eva Schubert, the singer. 01:27:53.39 evaschubert But if you want the podcast, you should look for Villains and Virgins Podcast. On YouTube, you could search for either of those two handles because the podcast exists in video version on YouTube. 01:28:05.92 evaschubert So if you prefer kind of watching something as opposed to just listening to it on headphones, then that's also available. And I'm on Instagram and I'm on Facebook and all those other things under Eva Schubert. 01:28:18.84 evaschubert So... I kind of put different pieces more or less on different platforms. So you get a different sort of set of things depending on which one you follow. 01:28:31.03 evaschubert But you can keep up with the larger picture on any of these really. 01:28:36.50 nextlevelguypodcast Perfect. Well...