00:00:00.05 nextlevelguypodcast finish um i'll just take a few seconds and i'll upload to the server so it's just basically i keep the tab open but thank you so much for coming on it's an honor because i've followed you on social media for so long now i've written a wee intro for you which says most people are just existing waiting for someday to chase their dream push their limits or truly live 00:00:04.83 matt vincent Totally. Yep. yeah 00:00:23.26 nextlevelguypodcast But Matt Vincent, he's on a mission to prove that some days are lie. Through his not dead yet mindset, he's inspiring people to break free from mediocrity, embrace discomfort, and live a life worth dying for. 00:00:36.17 nextlevelguypodcast And today we're diving into that philosophy. How to rewrite your story, level up, and stop waiting to live. Matt, welcome to the show. Would you agree with that? Would you say that's how it defines you? 00:00:46.72 nextlevelguypodcast Or how would you explain it? 00:00:47.11 matt vincent yeah I think that if I had to put together a marketing pitch for who I am as a person, that's really what it would sound like. 00:00:55.98 nextlevelguypodcast Well, feel free. You can have that. ah um Because I was trying to, because I love your message. It really kind of opens up and gets the root cause of us that we always assume there's going to be a tomorrow, but we' we're not guaranteed the next hour because of the way life is. 00:01:14.12 nextlevelguypodcast What was your defining moment to change? You know, what was it about your life at that time that you needed it? 00:01:21.93 matt vincent You know, it wasn't all this one big moment. It was kind of a cascade of a number of things. 00:01:31.53 matt vincent I had gotten myself into the Scottish Highland Games and was competing and finding some success in that. And was really enjoying it. I had found this hobby that I really loved. 00:01:43.72 matt vincent I had been exploring strength sports and trying to find something after athletics in college ended. And so as I got into that sport and I fell in love with it, I'd kind of fallen into creating content around. 00:01:57.42 matt vincent And 00:02:00.70 matt vincent about that time that I'd gotten good at it, I'm making some content, but I'm still very much operating with a normal everyday life. Like I still have a regular job outside sales in the oil and gas industry. 00:02:12.75 matt vincent And I would say I had not fully committed. to entrepreneurship or whatever this thing was. And I really did feel this fear of like, fuck, I can't leave this steady ideal thing. 00:02:26.62 matt vincent And I didn't love it, but it wasn't bad, but I damn sure didn't love it. And I didn't have a passion to get better for it. It rewarded me well, and it gave me enough time to pursue things I was in love with. 00:02:41.82 nextlevelguypodcast And do you see that do you see that's why a lot of guys struggle? 00:02:42.04 matt vincent And then go ahead. 00:02:45.59 nextlevelguypodcast It's that they haven't got to that pain point yet. 00:02:49.19 matt vincent Yeah, I think that there's a really hard point of where things are good enough. And good enough, you can create a narrative that the risk of leaving it will be worse. 00:03:01.12 matt vincent Whereas if things were actually worse, you'd make a different choice. You'd actually do something. I mean, that's why people call it rock bottom, right? The real problem is most people will never do something that hits it. 00:03:13.40 matt vincent And so they'll just wallow around in okay and slow decay. 00:03:19.61 matt vincent Instead of taking action. Instead of deciding that the only way I'll do something is my feet are held to the fire. 00:03:29.68 matt vincent Like that's good enough to get to the middle. But if you want to pursue greatness in any area of your life and see what you're truly capable of, which is what I'm interested in exploring about me. 00:03:41.82 matt vincent What am I fucking capable of if I get out of the way and I don't write the narrative before I have the experience and actually give it the effort? 00:03:51.37 matt vincent And so going into that, I think there's really importance in having a pursuit. That like, if I have to be set on fire to take action, then things always have to be bad. 00:04:05.40 nextlevelguypodcast Mm-hmm. 00:04:07.36 matt vincent Like, I got to be able to be able to leave good enough and pursue great. It's about finding that next level. It's about finding that area where you are fully authentic and you are operating all your habits in accordance with what you want to become. 00:04:25.27 nextlevelguypodcast I love that. But is it the main struggle because the comfort zone's there? It's safer to hide in the shadows. Is that just something that we tell people to, you know, it's just a cliche now? 00:04:39.36 nextlevelguypodcast Or do we not know how to change or how to just be happier, healthier? We don't know the path to fault. 00:04:47.32 matt vincent umm I'm not sure there's a right or wrong answer to any of that. I think the only thing that matters is whatever you decide gets you to take the actions you want. 00:04:59.09 matt vincent Instead of beating yourself up for not doing shit or not liking the way I look or not liking the way I feel or being upset about my physical health or feeling limited in what I can do and can pursue. 00:05:12.88 matt vincent But I mean, the idea with discomfort 00:05:18.83 matt vincent I look at kind of historically what life has looked like, let's say, over the last couple hundred thousand years. We likely spent a pretty good portion of our time outside in relatively physically laborious jobs. 00:05:35.78 matt vincent Getting ourselves surviving, right? Like we have to hunt food, we got to either grow crops, and that's a long way down the road. But for the most part, we're dealing with some levels of discomfort on a regular basis. 00:05:47.15 matt vincent We're exposed to the sun, all these types of things. The cool part about being alive now is I don't have to do that to stay alive. 00:05:58.96 matt vincent But perhaps there was something to our overall health that came from being outside, being in the sun, moving around on a more frequent basis, actually burning calories, bending over, doing things. 00:06:13.36 matt vincent than just trying to remove any type of inconvenience of discomfort toward more comfort, which equals couch beanbag. 00:06:23.50 nextlevelguypodcast So do you think that's a bad thing now that we no longer have that rite of passage that a lot of guys would have? but You know, you go to Africa, you look at the tribes where they're circumcised. they You go to look at Sparta where they would go out and like try to kill a slave and all these kind of these rites that we pass down now where now we can get a taxi to the door. 00:06:36.28 matt vincent Hmm. 00:06:47.12 nextlevelguypodcast We can get food. We can even order a date online. You know, have we how do we find that mission again? 00:06:50.39 matt vincent I 00:06:55.24 matt vincent think the beauty of it is we get to choose it. Like, that's where it falls in line for me, is not so much that, like, there isn't a right one. 00:07:08.14 matt vincent The beauty of being where we are kind of in the passage of time and where society can be is you can fucking choose it. Like, for the first time ever. But what seems to be really as important is that you choose something. 00:07:23.85 matt vincent That you give a shit about something. That you decide purpose. That you decide to pursue it. 00:07:33.89 matt vincent Instead of getting caught up in what we believe we were supposed to do or having this right or wrong idea of rites of passage, right? And so... 00:07:45.57 matt vincent these rites of passage. And I think, I think you're kind of saying rites of passage, but meaning convenience. 00:07:53.01 nextlevelguypodcast well sort of the the change between boyhood to manhood the the thing that would define you embracing you no 00:07:59.21 matt vincent Yeah. We just don't have one in Western culture at all. I mean, I guess the, probably the closest thing we have is you graduate college and then like, you're a man. 00:08:10.68 nextlevelguypodcast no probably 00:08:10.96 matt vincent Like, I mean, that's, you basically run through this Henry Ford assembly line system of putting you into a cubicle and getting you comfortable in that situation with dealing with strangers and talking to people, showing up on time, doing a thing that you don't particularly like to do for eight, 10 years, not work on critical thinking or problem solving. 00:08:30.94 matt vincent Like, yeah. I mean, once you leave that, that is the path ahead is follow where those skills have got you. And that is not aligned with, pursuing your best. 00:08:44.40 nextlevelguypodcast Well, if you'd asked me, say, 20 years ago, I would have had hopes and dreams. I would have been and setting up this. I'd have been doing this. I'd have gone here. have gone there. And now I'm finding myself hating existence at times where I'll self-sabotage the second I come close to success. 00:09:02.04 nextlevelguypodcast So, you know, be doing amazing at Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Oh, I got wee knock, but a training partner leaves. Okay, that's an excuse to stop. Or i you start screwing up at a job because it's easier than being seen as the go-to guy or, you know, these kind of simple things. 00:09:18.23 nextlevelguypodcast When you weigh up your... 00:09:18.61 matt vincent what do you think do Why do you think you choose to do that? 00:09:20.77 nextlevelguypodcast Sorry? 00:09:24.66 nextlevelguypodcast That, I don't know. And it's it's almost like it's easier to fall back than be do this soul crashing the the gut-wrenching work, which really actually lets you tackle into yourself. 00:09:36.59 nextlevelguypodcast And that comes across in your work. But how how do we get to that pain point, but with enough self-love that we don't just go, what's the point? 00:09:39.22 matt vincent Mm-hmm. 00:09:46.01 nextlevelguypodcast I'm not worth it. 00:09:47.73 matt vincent i I think that's also a choice too, though. Right? Like, at some point, like, for me, you're not fucking obligated to exist, but you're here. 00:09:57.06 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 00:09:57.73 matt vincent And if you're gonna fucking be here, why not give it hell? What's the risk? Like, the story ends the same way for all of us either way. We're all gonna be fucking dead and no one's ever gonna remember it. 00:10:10.01 matt vincent So, fucking let it rip. But if you're going to do stuff and you're going to have to give energy to shit and you're going to have to solve problems because there don't seem to be any paths that you just get to fucking chill. 00:10:23.23 matt vincent There also never has been. Even for those who come with it like pre-fucking installed, these mega rich or anyone that we want to believe like, oh, they got it. They don't have any fucking backbone. 00:10:35.08 matt vincent They don't have any fucking spine. They don't have any self-worth because they didn't build it for them. We still see trouble all the way along the path. For anybody. Trouble's part of the fucking deal. It's part of existing. 00:10:48.38 matt vincent But if you don't decide what trouble you want to deal with and how to bulletproof yourself to it, then the trouble that finds you will always be more than you can handle. 00:10:58.02 nextlevelguypodcast like 00:10:58.87 matt vincent But bullshit's coming. So, like, be fucking resilient. Build confidence in yourself by accomplishing long-term things. recognize it like, oh, I get about six weeks in and then quit shit, then the six-week point is where the fucking start begins. 00:11:17.90 matt vincent Like, we just have to recognize our own patterns and decide to take different actions. 00:11:17.89 nextlevelguypodcast ah later 00:11:22.04 matt vincent We don't have to have feelings about it. I want to be able to feel, but I don't want to be reactionary to my feelings. 00:11:31.11 nextlevelguypodcast So what would you do at that point? Say you got a guy just now and whenever he comes close to asking out the girl he wants, getting the job, whatever it is, and he just vumps straight down. 00:11:40.78 matt vincent Well, 00:11:43.73 nextlevelguypodcast How do we stop caring about outside opinions, the car, the couch, the whatever it is, the fo the trinkets we sell to show off to other people we don't really like? 00:11:56.08 nextlevelguypodcast How do we actually look at what makes us a man and what we do give to other people and make the world a better place? 00:11:56.30 matt vincent well 00:12:03.50 nextlevelguypodcast How do we shift external to internal? 00:12:05.23 matt vincent but Let's just start with awareness because if we don't have awareness around things, we can't change it. And if we believe, so why do we believe those things you're trying to achieve are important? 00:12:20.58 nextlevelguypodcast and the title It's because what society tells us is valuable. but if you don't have the right car, you're not good enough. 00:12:24.81 matt vincent Do you like what most, do you agree with what most of society thinks? 00:12:30.04 nextlevelguypodcast Nope. But I find myself falling back against people's opinions. 00:12:31.50 matt vincent So, 00:12:34.29 nextlevelguypodcast So I'll be jealous. I'll be comparison on social media. But I use it for the podcast. 00:12:38.83 matt vincent Sure. 00:12:40.90 nextlevelguypodcast So I have this version of myself that's outgoing and doing all these amazing things. And then there's a little boy version of me that says, oh, Matt's done this and and you know Tim Ferriss has done that. 00:12:52.47 nextlevelguypodcast And I'm like, I'm... 00:12:53.18 matt vincent Yeah, sure. 00:12:53.43 nextlevelguypodcast you know it's It's amazing how we switch between the two personas. 00:12:59.49 matt vincent Yeah, I do it all the time. it's ah It's a constant battle. But what I've realized is anyone who has solved the problems that I'm trying to solve to accomplish what I want to do has answered that call because everyone feels it. 00:13:14.74 matt vincent Fucking everyone. Everyone does it. But if you can figure out how to instead of use it as comparison, but instead of proof of concept and use it only for inspiration, it's your perspective. 00:13:27.98 matt vincent Look, both are true. Both sides of that coin are fucking true. They are doing better than you and you can get caught in that. And you can get caught in the why. And then you can go in there like, well, if I did this or if I was an attractive chick or fucking if my mom had balls, she'd be my dad. 00:13:43.30 matt vincent Whatever the make it up narrative you want to create for what the excuse is, right? 00:13:45.94 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 00:13:47.13 matt vincent Like you can do that. And it is true. But it's also true to say, why don't I just take notes of what they did that worked? Why don't I look across the board at the five things that I do that I am inspired by? 00:14:00.99 matt vincent What did they do that worked? Oh, they never fucking stopped. 00:14:07.92 matt vincent They did it when no one was asking them for it. 00:14:11.80 matt vincent And that's part of the rite of passage for any of this shit. 00:14:15.91 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 00:14:16.08 matt vincent Is the doing it because you love it. 00:14:20.42 matt vincent It's not doing it for them first. If you're doing it for validation, it's never going to hold up. Because then it's also not authentic. And so the comparison piece is just such a waste of energy. 00:14:33.10 matt vincent Not only is it a thief of joy, it's a fucking thief of pain, because now we have such proof of up and down that you'll steal your own bullshit and say, well, I don't have any real problems. I'm better than this. I should be happy. 00:14:45.64 matt vincent And you'll do the same as I'm not happy because look at this life. And so you'll just fucking wallow in this middle that you have decided is the trap. 00:14:55.01 matt vincent When the truth is, your life's fucking great. 00:14:59.12 nextlevelguypodcast I love that way of looking at it because it's just now how many guys are sitting there going, but Joe's got this, Tim's got and you're like, and why is that not yeah an inspiration? 00:15:05.08 matt vincent I don't care. So what? 00:15:09.33 nextlevelguypodcast I mean, what i I was just thinking just now when you were talking about the people who never give up is I'm still doing this podcast, 200-odd episodes in. Why am I not doing that in other aspects of my life? And I think it might be an aha moment for a lot of people listening who are going, 00:15:23.93 nextlevelguypodcast Well, i do that. Why am I not giving that energy to that? And then just remove the emotion, like you're saying, to so stop, try to show off and just do it because you enjoy it. 00:15:35.24 matt vincent so getting into the Highland games, weird, weird sport and all. Um, 00:15:44.11 matt vincent doing something like that long-term like this almost PhD level exploration into one very fucking small niche aspect that shouldn't necessarily carry over to anything else. 00:15:56.25 matt vincent I mean, throwing fucking rocks in a field. It's not like you would say that's going to be great for a salesman or an entrepreneur, right? 00:16:02.24 nextlevelguypodcast Ads sculpts are weird. 00:16:04.95 matt vincent For sure. 00:16:05.35 nextlevelguypodcast let's say 00:16:06.85 matt vincent Now, Instead of that, I looked and I deciphered a few things from that path. that i like I know going down that path, whatever I did got the best out of me for that. 00:16:20.92 matt vincent I focused on recovery. I managed my nutrition. I ate with intention so that I could accomplish a goal. I had everything focused on this thing. The beauty of it was that I was obsessed with it, and so focus stayed easy. 00:16:35.58 matt vincent And so now at this point in my life, I look at like, okay, so it takes 10 years to get good at anything. And if I want to get good at something, I've got to be able to read the data just like I would have from training without an emotional response. 00:16:49.65 matt vincent I didn't feel emotional about whether or not in my throw, I needed to get further over my right side so that I could generate more power. I just fucking fixed it because the outcome is what I'm, what I'm attached to, not the method. 00:17:05.79 matt vincent So I'm not caught up in those finite details of bullshit. I don't need to be right. I want the outcome. And so I'm happily going to listen and correct course the whole way through. 00:17:19.20 nextlevelguypodcast And is that where you're is that where your fuck mediocrity comes from? 00:17:19.44 matt vincent And so as I... 00:17:24.08 nextlevelguypodcast That philosophy of just deep dive balls to the wall into 00:17:24.94 matt vincent Yeah, a bit. 00:17:29.35 matt vincent Yeah, I mean... Like I have no fucking idea what comes after this life, man. I got no proof of anything. I've got some fun ideas, but that's about the best as it gets. 00:17:42.00 matt vincent For all I know, this is my only shot of getting to play around having a physical body and a consciousness. 00:17:48.94 matt vincent What a fucking ride. 00:17:52.04 matt vincent I'm aware that I am in full control of the environment I want to be in, the people I want to be around, the things I choose to consume, and how I choose to treat myself and my body. And I can ask it to do what I would like. 00:18:06.86 matt vincent I don't feel held back. 00:18:10.72 matt vincent Because I'm gonna fucking die. I'm just interested in exploring to see what I'm capable of, not in comparison to anyone else. What can I fucking do? It won't be remembered anyway. 00:18:24.31 matt vincent Whether... Like, I'm gonna fall somewhere between homeless and Bill Gates. 00:18:29.88 nextlevelguypodcast It's good place to be. 00:18:30.20 matt vincent And it ain't gonna make the fucking news. Do you know what I mean? 00:18:32.37 nextlevelguypodcast ah 00:18:33.13 matt vincent Like, it ain't gonna matter In 40 years I'm dead, and 20 years after that no one gives a shit. You don't know any of the daily plight of your great-grandfather. 00:18:45.16 matt vincent You may barely know a thing or two about him. 00:18:50.64 matt vincent And so like, fuck man, play accordingly. 00:18:56.50 nextlevelguypodcast I mean, i remember when my grandparents were dying, I lost three grandparents in the same year. And up to that point, I'd always played it safe. I'd always been hiding in the shadows. And I remember seeing that eternal love, that kind of devastation, the impact they had made on the family. And I remember just watching them waste away. 00:19:16.89 nextlevelguypodcast And it kind of gave me this jolt to go away, take on life. And I did so much. And then I kind of stalled back to this point. So is that then we need to then find the next mission, the next kind of thing that we need to give back at that point? 00:19:31.46 nextlevelguypodcast How do we remember Memento Mori and actually find a challenge but got but bigger than us to push us on? 00:19:42.40 matt vincent Like, I think the beauty of it is we all get to choose it, and that's the fun part. You get to choose it. There's an infinite number of routes to go try to explore. Which one seems the most fun? Which one seems worth dying for? 00:19:56.45 matt vincent But remembering that we're gonna die. Like, it's gonna happen. Like, I stay focused on it. I have a jar of marbles I keep around that I use as a reflectionary piece. You know, that I, when my dad died, 00:20:11.02 matt vincent 11 years ago, 00:20:14.60 matt vincent that was the kind of first real shot of awakening. And death, like you said, brings it up. There becomes this very, very clear moment when you realize you're on the clock. 00:20:26.60 matt vincent Now, the clock's a long way away, but you're on the clock. And at that moment, for me, I realized how finite everything was. the number of hugs I have left, what a lie that's saying that we get to be together forever is. 00:20:42.49 matt vincent It's bullshit. 00:20:45.63 matt vincent There's a finite number of all of it. And for me, that sparked a fire. To get as much as I goddamn can out of this ride. 00:20:57.24 matt vincent And that's continued to just spread to different areas. When my dad died, that's where the full gas went into me competing. I won a world championship later that year. started my apparel brand. And then by 2017, I got fired from my regular job. 00:21:12.84 matt vincent Didn't pursue another one. And then at that point, my knee went out. I'm no longer competing. I'm in chronic pain. I can't go up and down stairs. 00:21:24.64 matt vincent Like it's all fucking gone. Like everything that I had poured the gas on to get to was done. 00:21:34.83 nextlevelguypodcast Because you've said like a few years back that you know you were hating life, you were depressed, you're feeling like your best years have come past you. And now you're living like a legendary transformation. 00:21:47.57 nextlevelguypodcast And I loved, you said a quote was that life and death are bookends. It's what you do in the middle that makes it special. How did you overcome that initial fear? Or was it literally you just kept pushing and pushing that when the job it failed, you thought, perfect, that gives me more time to focus on this. 00:22:05.73 nextlevelguypodcast I can now go deep dive into my sport. I can now, okay, that's given me some avenues to then look at some transformational stuff to come back from my injury. Yeah. 00:22:16.39 nextlevelguypodcast okay, I can then help people with their own self-development because of the insights you've learned. Did you just literally go from mound to mound, so to speak? 00:22:26.55 matt vincent I mean, with mountains, there's valleys, like there's no way to stay up top. And so. Nah, man, it's a hell of a fucking road. 00:22:36.81 matt vincent I had no plans of getting to where I currently am right now. This wasn't, like, didn't have the sights set on I'm doing this and moving that way. I just, at some point, whenever things had gotten really bad, got honest enough with myself to say that if I don't get this fixed, I'll fucking kill myself. 00:22:58.70 matt vincent And I don't know if that means 10 years, but I know I wasn't going to fucking ride it out. That I wasn't just going to normal things and I wasn't just going know, I couldn't fucking walk. 00:23:10.45 matt vincent Like I'm traveling with a cane. 00:23:14.41 matt vincent And so I know that's not the worst thing in the world for everyone. And I get how overdramatic it is and I can steal my own pain and suffering away using comparison and these other type of things. 00:23:26.02 matt vincent But the fact was, this was at least the bottom line that I hit. This was that rock bottom point that I said I am not fucking interested in feeling like this anymore. 00:23:36.45 matt vincent So let's start solving problems the way we know how to solve problems. What game I actually in control of right now? I can take care of anything that is possibly causing more pain in my body. 00:23:47.87 matt vincent So get rid of inflammation, change my diet, let's lose weight. Let's see what we can do different medication wise. Let's just start trying shit the same way we would have to get great at the Highland Games. 00:23:59.88 matt vincent Let's go find new coaches. Let's go try bands. Let's go learn these new things. Let's just start exploring because clearly we don't know what the fuck we're doing. 00:24:11.52 nextlevelguypodcast So what when you were doing that, how did you deal with that change of your mindset? Because you went from ah sports star, a champion winning coach, to the injuries, to starting your pedal brand. How did you... 00:24:27.33 nextlevelguypodcast accept that change your mental yeah yeah your mentality that kind of the new mindset you're taking on because you seem to just be able to absorb and be very fluid with what you do how do you approach these things 00:24:44.02 matt vincent At this point, like, I know have the ability to get something big done. And so the overlap of that is for me to be able to care about it for over a decade. 00:25:00.58 matt vincent So, like, I need to know that it feels that full fuck yes. 00:25:05.70 matt vincent And whenever I was done competing, you know, so 2014 was my second world championship and I threw for another two years. Later that year in 2014, I started the apparel company. 00:25:19.33 matt vincent And I knew I wanted to try to create for a living and figure out how to monetize the following I had built. And since I had been writing books and I had been asked by my audience for some stuff explaining the hate, the idea that formed the first brand, I started figuring out how to make apparel and sell it. 00:25:38.85 matt vincent And then I figured out how to, where I could get it warehoused and how to get it shipped and how to make a business and figure all that out on the fly while I'm trying to vlog every day. And then I got hurt. And so the apparel company is working. 00:25:53.30 matt vincent So I took all bit of energy that I had that could have gone to training or anything else and just poured it there. 00:26:01.58 matt vincent And luckily it worked. 00:26:05.35 nextlevelguypodcast I like that. I suppose it's like, you know, because when I'm interviewing people, I always think there's a secret trick or a mindset hack or something, but you're literally kind of just pushing your energy forward and just continuously trying new things. 00:26:18.93 nextlevelguypodcast Is that the... 00:26:20.22 matt vincent Well, like, I don't have a fear of fucking up. 00:26:22.58 nextlevelguypodcast Hmm. 00:26:23.87 matt vincent I've fucked up a lot. 00:26:26.93 matt vincent I've had businesses that failed and you know, 40 and 50 grand worth of debt. I've had relationships and a failed marriage and I've fucked up all kinds of things. But at least I can tell the universe doesn't really give a shit. 00:26:38.04 nextlevelguypodcast because Because I remember you said and on your Instagram, think it was, that it's not about daily affirmations. It's about daily actions. 00:26:50.85 nextlevelguypodcast And that's what it really hit home was you can think through 50 ways of doing something. But if you're not actually stepping on the mat, you're not stepping outside, you're not starting the brand, it's just pointless how do how do we take that philosophy with the you know the daily actions how do we take the not dead yet mentality add in radical accountability and start changing and start pushing and start just living again 00:27:03.69 matt vincent ye 00:27:21.73 matt vincent I think one is setting the intention of why we're pursuing it. So I think before you start taking action, I think it's important to know what your intention is. Why are you interested in pursuing this? 00:27:34.05 matt vincent What is Is it to be best in the world? Is it to improve your health? Be honest with yourself so we know what the fucking goal is of why we're going. Because if it's to be goddamn Chuck Norris, then maybe we're not going toward the right thing. 00:27:47.79 matt vincent That can be a fucking stupid reason. But where's the benefit? What's the skill acquisition? Know the intention of why we're pursuing the thing we're pursuing. And then, instead of getting overwhelmed with how long it takes, 00:28:03.03 matt vincent Just worry about the next thing that has to be done. Like anxiety and all that shit is built around some attachment to some future outcome. The only thing you can do about that instead of any worry or create narrative is give right now your best. 00:28:18.29 matt vincent That's the best thing you could do to improve that, right? Would be if I gave 100% every single day to try to get it. Well, maybe you don't have 100%. you got 30, give 30%. 00:28:30.69 matt vincent And trust that the long-term thing makes it happen. I don't have any evidence that there's a way to macro-dose health or success or happiness. 00:28:42.89 matt vincent But you have to micro-dose it a little bit every day. You have to be in the fight. You have to be pushing forward so that they're... Because the stuff you really want is confidence. The stuff you really want is your health. 00:28:57.04 matt vincent And those take work every fucking day to choose to have. We have shown that in our current situation with the options available, we will not choose in our best favor. 00:29:09.62 nextlevelguypodcast Daily, yep. 00:29:09.76 matt vincent I personally won't get fucking beaten by convenience and abundance. 00:29:20.43 nextlevelguypodcast I love the way you look at life. And is that the similar to your floor to ceiling kind of a philosophy? That once we know... 00:29:28.37 matt vincent So the floor to ceiling is basically, yeah, like once we set an action plan, it would be, and the ceiling is really not important because man, on the days you feel it and the days you want to do it and the days you feel motivated, you don't need my fucking help. 00:29:44.23 matt vincent Like no one has struggles on those days. It's not like I'm going say back off. What I care about is that we're doing something every day. You we'll, we'll pretend that like doing the hundred pushups a day isn't enough. 00:29:59.78 matt vincent But instead you did none. Or instead you did very little. Instead you didn't go to the gym at all because you created a lie around, well I didn't have perfect 90 minutes to go do this thing. 00:30:12.36 matt vincent So I didn't do anything. 00:30:12.80 nextlevelguypodcast Yep. 00:30:14.26 matt vincent That's not the way it works. It's not max effort every day. It's the consistent approach of microdosing it. So doing the 100 pushups. There's also this cascading effect that happens, that because I did those push-ups, I'm slightly more aware about the food I'm going to eat. 00:30:28.36 matt vincent I'm slightly more aware about the other actions I take. I've already held a promise to myself that I said I was going to do. I'm already building a little bit of confidence. I'm starting to rewrite the narrative instead of believing I can't change. 00:30:41.66 matt vincent When the only thing that creates change is my actions from today forward. 00:30:48.02 nextlevelguypodcast So do you think that's ah a good way for a person to start is to look at themselves honestly and openly and think your current sense of self, you know, yeah how out of shape you are, how your relationships are, how your relationships with your parents, loved ones, whoever it is, that is a reflection of how you feel about yourself. 00:31:08.57 nextlevelguypodcast And do you talk? 00:31:09.55 matt vincent I think there's a lot of that. 00:31:11.13 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 00:31:12.39 matt vincent I think there's a lot of that. I don't think, like said, I don't think that there's any right, wrong, whatever, but I do think some self-awareness around why I choose what I choose matters. I also don't think that we need to go through and unroot it. 00:31:27.91 matt vincent I don't think it's worth always having to dive into the past and fucking unbury this thing. The same way, like, 00:31:37.56 matt vincent there's some high level scientific shit that like I can just go got it instead of like, I don't need to know the full depth of it. 00:31:45.83 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 00:31:47.07 matt vincent Do you know what I mean? And so I want to take from it what gives me action to actually change things. And if I can have awareness of like, I don't like the way my life works in this area. 00:32:00.84 matt vincent And at least I can say, what are the habits I've been doing? 00:32:05.76 matt vincent what would I like my life to look like in the future? What habits more align with a life that looks like that? How do I get more consistent doing those habits every day from here until it changes? 00:32:20.22 nextlevelguypodcast Well, let's talk about that. and how How do you know that your actions align with who you are? who you are Not what you are, not what others you want you to be, but actually who you want to be? Because we please everybody except ourselves. 00:32:34.88 nextlevelguypodcast How do we know that that's truly ourselves? 00:32:38.48 matt vincent I think that's choosing to be self-aware, choosing to listen. Where's the shit that I do that doesn't make me feel good? Where's the things that steal my energy? Where's the stuff that I dream about doing, but I talk myself out of? 00:32:52.83 matt vincent Like I know for me, like I know what aligns with me, right? Like I don't want to spend any of my time around people who complain. So I don't. 00:33:00.40 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 00:33:02.02 matt vincent I want to create for a living. So I will challenge myself forever to do so. 00:33:09.75 matt vincent And so I set boundaries that keep those things aligned and keep those things active. I don't deal with bullshit that's distractions that I don't need to have. I quit worrying about what anyone else thinks my life should look like. 00:33:26.59 matt vincent And I decided what I want it to look like. And I didn't know a lot of what I wanted it to look like. I thought it was supposed to look like this, you know, this, 00:33:37.73 matt vincent Growing up having kids, standard life, retirement, and then sometime dying. You know, I saw people living exciting lives and I saw people being able to travel and I saw people being able to kind of, I don't know, just fucking go for it. 00:33:54.68 nextlevelguypodcast I mean, did that help from the Highland Games? 00:33:55.06 matt vincent And there wasn't any reason I can't. Well, that was kind of the first thing that I did that I really, I really fully pursued something unreasonable. 00:34:09.92 nextlevelguypodcast and it takes a real mental fucking but set of balls to lift some like I mean I've thrown cabers and stuff like not anything close to what you've done and some of the stones you have to really want it did that help you find inner inspiration 00:34:26.26 matt vincent So much of that stuff for me, like I, my driving force wasn't very much a chip on my shoulder. 00:34:34.68 matt vincent I'd spent some time dealing with, you know, not quite being good as my brother in a number of areas. And then, um, once we got into strength, it was really just about like, I want to see what this fucking thing can do. 00:34:47.77 nextlevelguypodcast Mm-hmm. 00:34:48.92 matt vincent And there were a number of ways to test that against kind of history. And so like the Hussafel stone or any of these other kind of historic stones around the world, I just kind of got fascinated and fully obsessed with it. 00:35:03.77 matt vincent And as someone that appreciated strength, and at that point in my life, I really considered strength to be my craft. Like that's what I was really trying to become an expert in. And being able to test myself against those histories was really cool. 00:35:21.38 matt vincent And so I trained for those things and I got to fall in love with it. And I got to witness how cool it is that there's these areas on the planet, like the Hussifel stone or the Denny stones or the inverse stone that like have a gravity that like, if you'll simply just hang out there long enough, like a tree, the strongest people on earth come to you. 00:35:39.75 matt vincent Like you're a fucking stone. 00:35:41.39 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 00:35:41.99 matt vincent why did we attach such big, heavy meaning to this one? We also, as a group of people, will shit on if you have replica ones and be like, it's not the real thing. Like, fucking why? 00:35:52.90 matt vincent But that's a silly thing, but we do it. 00:35:57.51 nextlevelguypodcast Is this linked to when you were talking about the idea of play versus training, like trainings for something in the future? It's, you know, it's something that you're focusing on, but play is actually just working out for fun, seeing what your body can do using nature and whatever about to. 00:36:13.78 nextlevelguypodcast to 00:36:13.92 matt vincent Yeah, I think they can overlap. 00:36:15.30 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 00:36:17.58 matt vincent You know, I think at this point, because I'm not trying to get super specific results out of my body. I'm training so that I can play as much as possible. 00:36:31.23 matt vincent I don't love pedaling the bike in the gym for two hours. I like being able to go outside with my friends and go on an adventure and feel my lungs fucking explode and get way in over my head and I still manage to scrape it back home. 00:36:44.19 nextlevelguypodcast I think you'd have to be a bloody sadist if you enjoyed two hours on the bike. It's just wrong. 00:36:49.46 matt vincent Like it, it's one of those things that I've done it long enough when I train for a thing that, so like training for an endurance thing, just because want to see what do I get from doing that? 00:37:00.95 matt vincent What can I, can how much can I improve at endurance sports in a certain amount of time? think it's a fun thing to figure out. Also, all the side benefits are fucking great. I'll be outside. Plus I'm moving extra. 00:37:11.05 matt vincent I'll probably lose some weight. 00:37:12.44 nextlevelguypodcast Hmm. 00:37:12.70 matt vincent Side effects are awesome. And so during that pursuit, I found that kind of maintaining about like an hour day of cardio really kept everything else operating at a higher level. 00:37:27.60 matt vincent Like my mood was better. My focus was better. Almost as though like I'm a fucking energetic guy. And so I need a little bit of the battery topped off, like gotten rid of before I start trying to focus. 00:37:46.55 matt vincent And so I may as well burn it that way. Otherwise, I'll pretend to burn it by wasting time on other shit. 00:37:55.09 nextlevelguypodcast Because you said on Instagram that you find yourself when you seek solace or, like you know, like when you go into these quiet moments and by yourself. how How do you find that balance between being with people, using the energy of others and kind of on their missions and helping clients to your own personal time? 00:38:17.79 nextlevelguypodcast Do you use the energy that you gain from teaching them to better yourself as much as you do in your solitude? 00:38:28.71 matt vincent Yes. Simple answer is yes. More complicated answer is lot of what I get out of the solitude gives me more perspective to be able to help my clients. 00:38:43.49 matt vincent So I, as a leader, need to go into that solitude to make sure that I'm sorted out enough to be able to serve. 00:38:56.49 matt vincent Right. So the work I've done in the past, while. 00:39:03.03 matt vincent I have the capacity to work a lot. I like working. have no complaints about being busy. ain't fucking bored. I got a big giant list of goddamn dreams I'm trying to accomplish before I die. 00:39:16.00 matt vincent So boards, not my issue. 00:39:19.72 matt vincent Focus is. 00:39:22.68 matt vincent So. 00:39:25.02 matt vincent Adding in those. Sorry, I got lost a little bit. Bring me back to home. Bring me back on what we're talking about. 00:39:31.14 nextlevelguypodcast Well, I mean, you you talked about the hedonic treadmill. there you know like we We spend so much caring about what other stuffers do. How do we use Solitude? 00:39:39.50 matt vincent Sorry, sorry, you were asking about altitude. Yeah, so in my previous job of like running the apparel brand, 00:39:41.92 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 00:39:48.28 matt vincent the creative work was done very much in solitude. So I'm typically at my desk, I'm designing, I'm putting together stuff or writing, whatever you're doing in that type of creation, video editing, you're fucking alone. 00:40:03.60 matt vincent And i would refill to get creative stuff because the opposite side of my scale was empty. Like I wasn't getting any group time, community time, new inspiration because I'm just locked in on the deep work. 00:40:18.90 matt vincent And so with this job, when I gave it the same approach, I realized like, oh, it's demanding a different system from me because I am working one-on-one and sharing all the time and having to be on the spot, having communication that I'm pouring out in a very different way. 00:40:40.53 matt vincent And so the same thing that refilled the old creativity isn't the same thing that refills this drink. So for this drain, what I'm realizing is in places we travel, whenever we get some time to kind of sit and think, you know, try to be aware of how I feel. 00:40:56.79 matt vincent And what I notice is the vibe that I pick up in cities, I don't like as much as the vibe I pick up in nature. So I listen to that. 00:41:07.48 matt vincent So I try to purposely go put myself in nature more often if that's a vibe that aligns with me. It has to be a choice. So I build a van. So that way don't have to sit in my office to do Zoom calls and things like that. 00:41:20.37 matt vincent I have a van with Starlink. I can go sit in nature and still do all the things I'm responsible for. And so just continuing to listen to that calling of like, oh, I have to now make sure that I'm intentional with intermittent solitude. 00:41:40.85 matt vincent Because I'm not always going to be able to go macro dose it. I can't always say I need a weekend to go fucking sit by myself. 00:41:49.18 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 00:41:50.66 matt vincent So in the time that I do have, I use the resources I have and I go find it. I purposely go. 00:42:02.48 matt vincent Because I can listen to what resonates with me more. And right now it's not sitting in my office. 00:42:09.00 matt vincent And if I want to do the best work I can do, then I need to listen. 00:42:14.06 nextlevelguypodcast so I remember first time I ever thought create, not consume, completely changed how I approached life and what I was doing and how I developed the site. I couldn't believe how easy everything was once switched that mentality. 00:42:31.31 nextlevelguypodcast I started listening to myself and what I needed in nature, like going out and spending time while it walks the nature with the dogs. But when we do connect with people, you seem to have this magical way of just connecting with people and having like true, deep connections with people. 00:42:47.97 nextlevelguypodcast You know, when you seem to have friendships, they seem to be true brotherhood friendships. And you seem to just connect with your clients like it's, you know, you've known them your whole life. What has that taught you about creating deep, true friendships? Yeah. 00:43:04.30 matt vincent I think being clear with your intention is a good one. I personally have no interest in bullshit friendships or relationships. And so, there's no room for them. 00:43:18.10 matt vincent I set that boundary. I have plenty of acquaintances. I'm nice to everyone. That also helps. Like I, I can choose to not want to spend my energy with you and still be polite. 00:43:32.92 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 00:43:34.24 matt vincent Right. 00:43:34.53 nextlevelguypodcast hopefully Hopefully not right now. but 00:43:36.61 matt vincent don't know. Right. Sure. 00:43:37.21 nextlevelguypodcast yeah 00:43:37.49 matt vincent But you know what I mean? Like, but building relationships, I mean, it's also intentional because the people that I'm close friends with and anything else, they're busy as well. 00:43:49.24 matt vincent And so I don't take offense to them, not calling. I don't take offense to not hearing from people. Instead, if I'm thinking like, damn, I haven't heard from blah, blah, blah in a while, and then I'm like, you know, that sucks. 00:44:00.30 matt vincent They don't reach out. And then get into that narrative. What's a lot easier is me just sending a text and saying, hey, man, I was thinking about you. I hope all's well. 00:44:09.83 matt vincent I don't wait for the invite. Like if I want to deal with you and I want to chat with you, I call and talk. I don't take offense to if they can't. They're busy. 00:44:21.30 matt vincent I'm busy a lot. Right? And so, like, I want meaningful relationships. And if that's going to be the case and we're not going to have quantity of conversation, then it has to be quality. 00:44:34.19 matt vincent I don't want infrequent fucking blandness. And what's the point of us hanging out? 00:44:43.43 matt vincent Someone being nice isn't enough for me to want to spend time. Nice is the bare minimum of being an okay person. 00:44:51.33 nextlevelguypodcast Definitely. 00:44:52.75 matt vincent If you're a dick, it just saves both of us a ton of time. 00:44:59.04 nextlevelguypodcast I love the the way that you're looking at this. ah It makes far more sense than secret sauces and codes and, you know, it's... 00:45:07.25 matt vincent i don't I don't have any, man. I wish I fucking did. 00:45:09.18 nextlevelguypodcast Hmm. Do you think that's the idea of living with absolute abundance? 00:45:12.63 matt vincent The only one. It helps. And that's that's something I've really put on in the last five years, that practice. 00:45:20.92 nextlevelguypodcast Hmm. 00:45:21.42 matt vincent And man, it has changed more than probably any of the other modalities I have done. It's just that practice of gratitude and abundance. And I know that you hear about that all the time. 00:45:31.88 matt vincent Like, write in your journal, talk about gratitude. And there's a difference in writing about it and then feeling it. And I've gotten better at it throughout the years. What did start when I was in my shit place was writing in my journal a couple things that I was thankful for. 00:45:48.40 matt vincent Like, I remember reading that somewhere and along the same lines of, fuck it, I'll try anything. But at least I know at that point, nothing happens in two weeks, right? Like, so I have that background training under me. 00:46:01.76 matt vincent I know how long it takes to see results from anything. 00:46:04.97 nextlevelguypodcast Mm-hmm. 00:46:05.86 matt vincent And so I don't, I don't have an opinion on how well something's gone about if I'm pursuing it until like I'm six months in. 00:46:17.60 matt vincent I don't get an opinion yet of whether or not it's working. It takes that long to get anything going. Anything you quit before that, you shot yourself in the foot. 00:46:27.07 nextlevelguypodcast I think that's where your radical abundance comes in is when you love or when you want to feel love from others, you just give it to others. When you want to train something, you throw yourself 100%. 00:46:36.40 matt vincent But I give it to me. 00:46:36.58 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. yeah 00:46:37.96 matt vincent I give it to me too. My gratitude and abundance is not just for things I have. It has gone to the depths of, thank you for the way that I hear sound waves to hear great things from people. 00:46:50.93 matt vincent Thank you for the way that I can process light through my fucking eyeballs that lets me see a sunset that I think is beautiful. Thanks for all this air there is to breathe. 00:47:03.61 matt vincent Thanks for the way these lungs work that have never asked any help from me. 00:47:07.10 nextlevelguypodcast No. 00:47:07.19 matt vincent Thanks digestion system. Thanks legs that have carried me on every adventure I've ever been on. Thanks all the other muscles and bones in my body that I can't even name. 00:47:19.13 matt vincent Do you know how crazy that is? You can't even name all your own parts? 00:47:25.15 nextlevelguypodcast No. And most people wouldn't have a clue that their worst day is something that somebody in a hospital bed or wheelchair... 00:47:32.99 matt vincent Yeah, that's their choice. 00:47:33.63 nextlevelguypodcast No. 00:47:34.77 matt vincent That's your own choice of perspective. Like that's living in scarcity. And if you want to stay living in scarcity where you are going to create this prison around once I get X, I'll feel Y. And because I don't feel Y yet, it means I haven't gotten enough X. 00:47:48.90 nextlevelguypodcast and there's people in hospices desperate to have the advantages that they have right now, or that extra 20 minutes, or to hug clear their loved ones one last time. 00:47:51.68 matt vincent Yeah. Yeah. 00:47:57.49 nextlevelguypodcast or And that's what bugs me, is um full I fall into that trap every so often. 00:47:59.03 matt vincent Well, 00:48:03.47 nextlevelguypodcast Like I beat myself up enough to get to that point, and I go, whenever I'm having a bad day or fall into my own traits, I immediately jealousy comparison. um ah You said in an interview where you said something about 00:48:14.32 matt vincent Yeah, yeah, so catch it sooner. 00:48:16.54 nextlevelguypodcast ah Where you catch bad behaviors. 00:48:16.73 matt vincent Right? Like, I don't need to... Yeah, quit quit trying to stop it. Like, that shit's already attached to the autopilot. So by the time it's kicked on, the trigger's already been hit, and, like, you're off the wheel. So the only thing that matters is how quickly you can go, oh, shit, I'm being an asshole to myself. 00:48:33.70 matt vincent And that is jealousy. That is the excuse. That is pointing the finger. That's any type of blame that doesn't take accountability. Because if you can take accountability, that gives the power back to you. 00:48:45.26 matt vincent I'm not interested in anything that takes my fucking power away. 00:48:50.22 matt vincent And so when you catch yourself making or doing that old habit, that's where I drop back into gratitude as part of that practice and say to myself, thanks for noticing we don't have to waste any more time doing that. 00:49:03.53 matt vincent Thanks for getting back on track to what we were. Thanks for noticing that we can change. Thanks for choosing to handle this differently. Thanks for not wasting any more time than we would have last time. 00:49:13.87 nextlevelguypodcast So 00:49:15.84 matt vincent Thanks for catching it. Thanks for recalibrating. 00:49:20.22 nextlevelguypodcast you talk to yourself like a friend? 00:49:20.83 matt vincent Thanks for slowing down. Fuck yeah. 00:49:24.91 nextlevelguypodcast Because how many people have an inner voice where... 00:49:25.81 matt vincent Fuck yeah, man. That took a long time fucking learn. It took a long time to learn that. I don't need any help on that motherfucker that lives in my head that's mean to me. 00:49:36.53 nextlevelguypodcast You wouldn't allow a friend to speak to you the way we speak to ourselves. 00:49:40.79 matt vincent I feel differently now. So the truth is, That's one of the boundaries I hold, is I work very hard to not speak to me in a way that I wouldn't be tolerated, that I wouldn't tolerate it. 00:49:54.14 matt vincent So anytime I catch myself and start that shit, I get back into that abundance around that bad behavior and start rewiring. 00:50:02.80 matt vincent We to do that anymore. That doesn't serve any purpose. We don't have to flog ourselves. We've already gotten the fucking message. 00:50:09.97 nextlevelguypodcast Well, we've already beaten ourself up enough, but we keep the problem alive. 00:50:12.64 matt vincent If you're, yeah, why? Of course we do. You would keep feeding that thing. You're also comfortable doing that. It's more comfortable for you to beat yourself up for five days than it actually is to change. 00:50:24.22 nextlevelguypodcast Where is it you said? Sorry, I'm just looking. I took some notes. it's It's not about fixing anything. It's about shedding the old skin and any lingering limiting beliefs. 00:50:35.24 nextlevelguypodcast I love that idea of just you're fine the way you are. You just need to shake off the excess noise so just to to push yourself. Now you have this beautiful relationship with your partner, you know, and it it just seems that you complete each other, that you both inspire, motivate, and you can see just the love and that you have for each other through the comments, your social media, the just the interactions you have. 00:50:58.67 matt vincent Thank you 00:51:02.79 nextlevelguypodcast How, for somebody that's been traditionally single like myself, shall we say, how do we find our own version of that? You know, what advice would you give to people who are so are seeking somebody to go on this journey now that they've realized time is finite and, you know life is short? 00:51:21.65 matt vincent What are the attributes you'd like in a partner? 00:51:26.31 nextlevelguypodcast I've only ever probably been in love once, and that was somebody who just... 00:51:32.05 matt vincent and No, no, no. 00:51:32.00 nextlevelguypodcast i don't I don't know anymore. 00:51:32.96 matt vincent Not about your past. What do you want? 00:51:36.12 nextlevelguypodcast Somebody... 00:51:36.58 matt vincent What do you want in a partner? Someone that's ambitious? Do you want someone that's in shape? Do you want someone that takes care of their health? Do you want someone that is intellectual? Do you want someone that is outdoor focused? 00:51:48.71 matt vincent What do you want? What would your ideal partner do? What would their habits be? What would their hobbies be? 00:51:55.06 nextlevelguypodcast you know what? probably don't even know. And that's probably why I i just accept what comes. 00:51:57.45 matt vincent Well, then it's going to be real tough to address it. Yeah, so that's going to be really, really tough to attract it. 00:52:05.49 matt vincent I know what I want. 00:52:08.53 matt vincent I know what doesn't work for me. I tried lots of things. 00:52:13.61 matt vincent And so when I learn things, I set new boundaries. And I operate from there the best I can. And so if I want a partner that gives a shit about her health and I want a partner that's physically fit and wants to do active, adventurous things, if I want a partner that is financially independent without me, if I want a partner who is free to travel and do all these things, then I damn sure need to be all those things too. 00:52:41.19 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. Become what you want to attract. 00:52:45.54 matt vincent Yeah. 00:52:48.11 nextlevelguypodcast Makes a lot of sense. 00:52:49.93 matt vincent I mean, it's like trying to make money instead of becoming valuable. If you become valuable, you attract money. 00:52:59.84 nextlevelguypodcast yeah We chase what we want rather than becoming what we what we can be to attract the people. yeah God, it makes it so much easier when you think about it like that. 00:53:10.97 matt vincent That's what I love getting to help people do is reframe a lot of these perspectives to get out of their own way. It's not necessarily this big 180 degree swing. It's being able to realize that you're in control see that. 00:53:25.00 matt vincent You can choose the side of abundance that already exists and the ability to be in control and the ability to follow through and take actions. Or you can keep believing the narrative of I can't change. 00:53:37.67 matt vincent Either is totally fucking up to you. And I don't believe there's a right or wrong. It's just. 00:53:47.02 matt vincent If you want to spend your whole life watching movies and melting into the couch and weighing 700 pounds and eating fast food every day, I don't care. My question is, are you happy? 00:54:00.53 matt vincent And if you say, don't ever question anything I do and I'm pretty stoked all the time, then fucking ride on, man. Ride on. I am not here to tell you right or wrong. But you can't bitch about it and not do something about it. 00:54:15.12 matt vincent You're not allowed to have both ways. That's like a child. So either accept it and be cool with it or change it. Right? So like I am not going to be able to have the discipline to have like bullshit food in my house all the time. 00:54:31.94 matt vincent I know where my weak spots are. They're not going away. I've tried various ways to manage it. So now I strategize against it. I don't have bullshit in my house. 00:54:42.13 nextlevelguypodcast Makes a lot of sense. 00:54:44.29 matt vincent I know where my limit of going out to get bullshit will happen. And I won't leave the house to go get it once I decide I want ice cream or something like that. But if ice cream is in the house, I will eat it. 00:54:58.50 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. Well, you can't eat it if you don't have it. Yeah. Makes a lot sense. 00:55:01.40 matt vincent Right. 00:55:03.75 nextlevelguypodcast I mean, you've done some amazing sort of transformational stuff. You've journeyed around the world. You've met amazing people. Which ones truly worked? You know, because I think you've you talked a lot about your experience using some herbal medicines, you know, where you really tackled yourself. 00:55:20.42 nextlevelguypodcast Was that the the the main one that kind of got to your but down to your bones for transformational change? Or were there others that kind of helped different methods? 00:55:28.12 matt vincent ah It's all. It's a combination of all. It's just kind of widening the toolbox. I think everything does different things. I think everything gives a different perspective, and I think there's stuff to learn from any modality. 00:55:42.73 matt vincent I don't think anything also has to be done forever or all the time. I think at some point you can kind of get the lesson from different things. Plant medicine for me has been really valuable. 00:55:55.89 matt vincent And in various forms, whether psilocybin, cannabis, or other psychedelics, mushrooms, LSD, or anything else, I think they're great tools. I also don't have addiction issues, at least not in the area of chemical dependency. 00:56:08.98 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 00:56:13.42 matt vincent And so if that's not a weak point for me, then I can kind of dabble to see what performance enhancement happens. Because I do believe they're valuable tools, especially if what we're seeing in healing and any of these other type of things. 00:56:28.51 matt vincent Because I can't put my finger on anything that helps people at their lowest and then hurts people who are healthy. 00:56:37.55 nextlevelguypodcast So if you had, you know how normally you would get a question like if you could go back 10 years and speak to yourself then, but you know, what would you, what would you actually do? Would you change anything? 00:56:51.29 nextlevelguypodcast Or do you think the journey you've been on has been the right journey for you and everything you've done? You've, you know, you had to have the like the heart rate machine. 00:57:02.39 nextlevelguypodcast You know, if it's not up and downs, it's a flat line and you're dead. Do you think yeah we need to to look at the lows to understand our past to get better future? 00:57:07.39 matt vincent So 00:57:14.08 matt vincent totally, I think there always needs to be data analyzation. mean, I analyze data with the rear view mirror, and then I focus my efforts forward. I'm not trying to rewrite the past. 00:57:26.65 matt vincent I can't change any of it. But being at the point I'm at in my life right now, I'm the happiest I've ever been across the board. 00:57:36.20 nextlevelguypodcast Love it. 00:57:38.63 matt vincent And what I also believe about timelines in the infinite and kind of chaos theory is that, you know, if you're, if butterfly flaps its wings somewhere else, a tsunami happens. 00:57:50.28 nextlevelguypodcast Mm-hmm. 00:57:50.91 matt vincent It's this idea that if one small change happens, like there is this wave of repercussions that are unknown. You can't pick and choose. You can't go in and edit one small thing. 00:58:02.48 matt vincent And so for me to get exactly where I am right now, I need all those things to happen. Those are the dragons that have to be slain to get to the happiness I have now. I do have to battle through not good enough and realize what a fucking lie it is to have it. 00:58:19.18 matt vincent Otherwise, you don't learn the lessons. You just think you got the merit badge. 00:58:26.80 matt vincent And having the merit badge that says I should be happy, like ain't fucking being happy. 00:58:30.98 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 00:58:32.32 matt vincent And so, over the course of that long term, like, the only thing I'd tell that guy is thank you. Like, I don't know why you're the one forging into the fucking unknown in the dark and trying all these new things out of somewhat desperation and fear. 00:58:48.72 matt vincent Because if I don't solve the problem, I know what life looks like. And I don't want any part of it. And so... Why he tried, I don't know why he was in love with it. 00:59:00.52 matt vincent I don't know. get to process a lot of those things and try to put my perspective on them. I get to live in all the benefit of that guy's decisions. I just got to say thank you. 00:59:13.41 matt vincent In the same way that I hope right now I'm at that moment of making small decisions every day that 50-year-old me is going to say, I don't know why you were going because you didn't have any idea this great shit was coming. 00:59:27.29 matt vincent I'm trying to do that guy favors, man. 00:59:32.32 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah, I mean, if I'd said to myself 10, 20 years ago, I would have gone, I didn't think I'd be here. I thought I'd be just like, no, fuck this, I'm a black sheep. Can't get on with anybody, you know? 00:59:40.99 matt vincent Okay. well then So using that own evidence with yourself, right? I didn't think I'd be here. What full effort have you think you've given it? Did you think you've given it? 00:59:52.12 matt vincent I got a one out of 10. 00:59:55.21 nextlevelguypodcast honestly now used to think it'd be higher but 4 or 5 I know I can match more capable nah that's good point version of me yeah 00:59:59.74 matt vincent like Think about like an eight, man. 01:00:04.84 matt vincent How about just bumping it up two? Like, fuck, man. A four or two is 50% better. 01:00:13.63 matt vincent Ten doesn't exist. do Like, ten's not fucking real. There's always up. There's some asshole out there with a trillion dollars who wonders why he doesn't own a planet. Like, you're caught in the wrong fucking game. 01:00:28.65 matt vincent Knowing that I can be happy with very little makes the game really fun to play. 01:00:35.61 nextlevelguypodcast and i think that's what i've realized is you there is so little that i need to be happy i just need family i just need to go and do stuff you know the things i enjoy now are not they go into the festivals they're not going to you know it's the people i'm with the experience do you find that's now the the new version of view it's the what's 01:00:55.37 matt vincent hundred Yeah, 100%. It's all experience-based, but that's what it always has been. Like, I mean, no one gets into the Highland games because there's going to be cool accolades. 01:01:09.52 matt vincent I found thing that allowed me to travel around the world. 01:01:15.22 matt vincent If I could also be good at it, that'd be sick. If also they'll pay me money, I'll try that too. But I want to travel around the world with my friends. 01:01:26.16 matt vincent And so... 01:01:28.60 matt vincent There's always a way. There's always a way to figure it out. Are you familiar with the book called The Third Door? 01:01:34.14 nextlevelguypodcast It rings a bell, but not off the top of my head. 01:01:36.80 matt vincent And so high performers, there's this mindset and you can find it over and over and over again in them. And there's different levels of it, of course, right? Like it's a full spectrum of anything. 01:01:48.81 matt vincent But there's this idea of the third door. And man, if you watch like Kid Cudi's documentary or any number of sports athletes, documentaries anything, right? And so the idea is that Most people believe success lives in this big building like this nightclub, and they're doing all the right things, and now they're standing in line waiting for the bouncer in queue to let him in. 01:02:12.22 matt vincent He's got a list of who gets in next, and you've done all the things, and you're just waiting to be called up. We all know there's a back door where rich people and those who get to bypass the normal process just get to walk in the fucking building. 01:02:27.33 matt vincent They're always going to be there. 01:02:27.55 nextlevelguypodcast Yep. 01:02:30.79 matt vincent The difference in high performers is that they are aware there's a third door. There is a way to get a job working in the fucking building so that you're in the room. There is a way to tip off a waiter to get in through a back door and come in through the kitchen. 01:02:46.02 matt vincent There is a way to make friends with a DJ who plays that place once a week so that you can get in the room. They will figure it the fuck out. They're not waiting for permission. 01:02:57.55 matt vincent Ever. Ever. 01:03:04.19 nextlevelguypodcast I've got to read that. 01:03:04.65 matt vincent I'm okay with the consequences. 01:03:09.02 matt vincent But I'm not sitting out here waiting and giving my power away as though you get to decide my success or happiness. 01:03:19.35 nextlevelguypodcast So what other books or of philosophies or readings have had that like an impact like that with you? You know, the those ones that you that you immediately think of when somebody says, what's a good book to read or what's a motivational tool or is there anything that springs to mind? 01:03:39.13 matt vincent Um, 01:03:42.47 matt vincent yeah, I really, really like Jay Shetty's Think Like a Monk. And so, again, lot of the growth tends to happen in Shadow, right? And so, let's say this previous life when I was competing and being a world champion, and this will kind of help to why my books are what they are. 01:04:03.51 matt vincent I came from an athletic background and pursuing strength and then outside sales. Like I'm personable and can talk and I'm a big guy and in good shape and have been since I was fucking 17. 01:04:15.38 matt vincent So like the typical masculine traits, I don't have any issue with. So like, I don't need the Jocko Willnick, David Goggins thing. 01:04:27.28 matt vincent Like, so when I hear that type of approach to motivation, all I hear is the same high school coaches that have been yelling in my fucking head for 20 years anyway. 01:04:37.40 nextlevelguypodcast Mm-hmm. 01:04:38.28 matt vincent Like, I also do well in those environments, so like, I got the fucking message, man. I don't need you yelling. 01:04:46.86 matt vincent So where I struggle in my shadow is in the finding the gratitude and is in the abundance and is in the not being so shitty to myself and it is being self-worth and it is self-love. 01:05:00.22 matt vincent So I leaned into learning as much about that to balance the other. 01:05:08.36 matt vincent Because that side of expectations and living up to this idea and what a man looks like and what that blah, blah, blah, started to get in the way of where when shit was failing, I couldn't address it because then I would have to admit it's not one of those things. 01:05:28.25 matt vincent Instead of just being able to fucking deal with it move on and realize none of this shit's important anyway. And so... I went more for the softer things. So I started reading stuff with Ram Dass more plant medicine, being around some more hippie friends and things like that, and spending more time in the sun, listening to all this other type of shit, getting into crystals and gratitude, and I have beads on, and I do breath work and meditation. 01:05:57.05 matt vincent I don't have a problem with pursuit. My problem is slowing down. And because I don't know how to slow down, burn out. 01:06:06.34 matt vincent And so I look at that other side of me, this high performance side that gets a lot done. That's this big giant race car that with building endurance and learning new skills and having creative ideas and being able to follow through, like that's this big high fucking in race car that's trying to go 200 miles an hour. 01:06:26.55 matt vincent But if I don't learn the brakes, I'll crash. And I'll keep crashing. 01:06:33.82 nextlevelguypodcast Well, how oh do you strike that balance between you know confidence and humility, calmness and intensity? 01:06:34.22 matt vincent And so learning how to 01:06:40.60 nextlevelguypodcast How do you stop and calm down and apply these breaks? 01:06:45.32 matt vincent It's knowing when the tools needed to be used. If everything's a fucking nail, then all you got is a hammer. And so I did that for a really long time. 01:06:52.95 nextlevelguypodcast Hmm. 01:06:55.42 matt vincent And basically every single aspect of my life was I just treated everything as a nail. 01:07:01.54 matt vincent That'll get us to good enough. 01:07:05.50 matt vincent Even if it gets to what other people consider great, you're always in the fight. You've never surrendered. You've never just been in the process of enjoying whatever this flow of life is that what comes with pursuing greatness and being stoked on it. 01:07:21.61 matt vincent Because you're always not there. And that feeling's brutal. That's that living in the gap. That's the scarcity. And I just don't believe that's true. Like, 01:07:33.87 matt vincent Food, water, and shelter are taken care of. I will likely not struggle with those things for the rest of my life. 01:07:42.03 matt vincent Community, friends, those things are going to change on a similar regular basis just because life changes. All the evidence in my past says things last somewhere between 10 and 25 years. 01:07:55.53 matt vincent So like, right on. I can probably accept that that's going to be that so I can learn, adapt, and make new friends whenever I feel the call to be different. And if I want to pursue something else, then all right, let's go find new people. 01:08:09.18 matt vincent But giving myself the freedom to change, I have no fucking idea what 50-year-old me wants. 01:08:15.56 matt vincent But I know that if he's physically fit, he's confident, he's financially stable, and believes in himself, and works really fucking hard, he can probably do just fine at just about anything he wants to focus on. 01:08:34.35 nextlevelguypodcast This is why I'm so glad to be speaking to you because it generally does feel like 10 minutes. And i think we're about the same age and I'm sitting just now at the start of my journey now to start, you know, it's, what does it say? There's you die twice. 01:08:49.08 nextlevelguypodcast Once is when you realize you're not going to live forever and you change your way. And the second time is obviously when you die, but how, how, 01:08:55.73 matt vincent Yeah. I think there's lots of deaths. The death of my father, the death of sport, the death of my last identity, the death of my old marriage, the death of parts of me that I thought were important for a really long time. 01:09:11.43 matt vincent Things that I thought mattered. 01:09:13.77 nextlevelguypodcast Shedding that old skin. 01:09:15.49 matt vincent Yeah, like, how long did I think having a 400-pound bench mattered? Like it was an important thing. It's an interesting pursuit. 01:09:26.34 matt vincent It's not fucking important. And like once, it's not like there's some 01:09:35.10 matt vincent group that's going to come out and get me once don't have it. Or like somehow it would make me a fraud or whatever the fucking crazy narrative that we'll build in our head is around it. 01:09:46.62 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 01:09:47.74 matt vincent So for me, back to your other question about what I'm reading, it's a lot of Alan Watts. It is, I like Nietzsche stuff with nihilism. I tend to fall more of those directions than I do stoicism, but everyone's saying the same shit. 01:10:03.77 matt vincent It's all the exact same shit. It's all self-awareness, and it's being less reactionary. It's being able to feel all your feelings but not have to let them take control of the car. 01:10:15.44 matt vincent Like, I want to be able to feel angry, but I don't need to be aggressive. Angry lets me know somebody crossed my goddamn boundaries, or something did, or I did. 01:10:28.68 matt vincent And so, take fucking awareness and then correct course by either saying, that motherfucker crosses boundaries. We don't ever need to fuck with them again. Or, what mistake did I make to put me in contact with this motherfucker that's going to cause boundaries? 01:10:42.34 matt vincent How do I not do that again? I got no interest in wasting time explaining to them that they crossed boundaries. 01:10:51.33 matt vincent So, letting go of any of those attachments that are causing suffering. This attachment to how this interaction should have gone or the attachment to being right. I don't give a fuck if a moron thinks I'm right. 01:11:04.21 matt vincent I will happily just end the conversation. They're welcome to think about me whatever they would like. In fact, I will happily just say, I agree with you. 01:11:12.89 matt vincent Or just say, right on. 01:11:15.84 nextlevelguypodcast like those who spend their lives arguing on social media like ah 01:11:19.11 matt vincent I don't give a fuck. It's a trap. 01:11:22.10 nextlevelguypodcast what's it they say about ah it's like playing chess with a pigeon it'll just knock all the ah things over and in claim it's one 01:11:28.93 matt vincent It's a trap, though. But also then, by arguing, you get better at arguing. It sharpens. Your tongue gets quicker and you get wittier and any number of other things. 01:11:39.92 matt vincent But you're also then looking for fights. 01:11:45.78 matt vincent So how much of your energy is then getting spent creating a tool that has a fucking negative consequence in every aspect of your life? 01:11:56.61 nextlevelguypodcast Very true. How much of life and energy you've been wasting on shit that doesn't matter. 01:12:00.55 matt vincent I don't give a shit about trying to be right. I don't give it weird. I am not arguing a fucking preference with you. 01:12:11.19 nextlevelguypodcast So for those lists... 01:12:11.56 matt vincent If you like X, I like Y. That sounds great to me. 01:12:14.57 nextlevelguypodcast like Well, no one likes X at the minute. I think it's just such a buggy app. 01:12:18.92 matt vincent Sure. 01:12:20.59 nextlevelguypodcast But... 01:12:20.86 matt vincent Oh, fuck. Yeah. 01:12:22.64 nextlevelguypodcast But for those listening, I mean, what would you want them to do? Like, say they were good new clients after coming to this and they said, fuck, man, I need to i need to have a better life. i need to realize I realized I'm not dead yet, I need to start pushing myself. 01:12:36.32 nextlevelguypodcast What would you give them as homework? Say they came back in six months and said, fuck, I listened to your interview. You know, Matt was right. He tore a new asshole, got me motivated. 01:12:47.67 nextlevelguypodcast What would you want them to come back? if there are there's like short-term goals they could focus on? 01:12:53.51 matt vincent For sure there is. I mean, one would be establishing these different habits. I also think about doing them first thing in the morning so that you prioritize you. So you have less excuses so that you always get it done. 01:13:05.19 matt vincent Maybe recognize the pattern that if I tell myself I'll do it in the evening, like I won't. And so what I would do is the transformation guide that I've put together, 90 day alchemist. 01:13:16.28 matt vincent I'd run that. It's a $300 course. You get some other courses with it. You get some support in our community. run that. And that's about putting in these daily habits that really do make these differences of being outside or spending time doing some breath work, writing in the journal, hot and cold, some, uh, using some hot and cold exposure, putting in an hour of physical movement, managing the diet really simply. 01:13:39.73 matt vincent Like how about for the next 90 days, don't anything that you can't identify as a single ingredient. 01:13:48.83 matt vincent I don't care how much, but that's the rule. 01:13:53.55 matt vincent Like, it's really simple. And the options for food are a lot. 01:13:57.75 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 01:14:01.63 matt vincent It's being willing to put these habits in. How about go get out of your comfort zone once a week and go take a class or something like that that you normally wouldn't? And all these habits, while seeming trivial, like add up over the 90 days of getting rid of a lot of the narrative of I'll be judged, or I'll be this, or this feels stupid, or how this goes, or I don't have enough time. 01:14:21.76 matt vincent No bullshit. And so this program helps rewire that. Helps transform that mind, body, and spirit all at the same time. 01:14:33.36 matt vincent And these slow daily habits, that's the only thing that makes a difference. Everyone wants this fucking macro dose of change and it doesn't exist. 01:14:44.07 matt vincent You have to do it long term. You have to rewire the program. 01:14:49.52 matt vincent And so I do 90-Day Alchemist, and then I would read four agreements. I would read the gap and the gain. And I would read Comfort Crisis, possibly Atomic Habits. 01:15:05.19 matt vincent Those are a good four starter. Like if you would actually follow that program for 90 days, And read those four books and not just consume them to say, fucking, I've consumed them. 01:15:18.64 matt vincent Take notes. What makes sense? What are aha moments? Because if you don't integrate the information, it doesn't fucking matter. So figure out what's the thing to take away and then actually do it. How do you implement it? How do you put that as part of your habits? 01:15:36.18 nextlevelguypodcast So how do you do that 01:15:36.53 matt vincent then And then how you continue? Well, depends on the book. 01:15:40.55 nextlevelguypodcast So say if it's, don't know, like Atomic Habits, for example, what would you do? Like when you're writing it, are you literally saying, ah writing out what you, what said, what it made you feel, how you did 01:15:54.28 matt vincent Yeah, like, so if I'm reading a book, like, what I'm listening for or any time that, like, I feel seen, especially if what I'm reading is personal development, self-help, strategizing, performance enhancement, whatever that area is, like, anywhere that I go, bing, and get that tickle, and you go, oh, that's something, then I typically write in my journal about it until I get a comprehensive idea of what the fuck that was that I just recognized. 01:16:23.73 matt vincent What clicked? What made sense? And so, know, him talking about, know, atomic habit being at this really minute scale and how it's the tiny habits that make any difference, right? 01:16:37.87 matt vincent That if you are on a trajectory based on the current habits and consistency that you have, and that is this laser pointing 10 miles into the future from where you currently stand. 01:16:50.77 matt vincent Like, I don't need you to move 180 degrees. I just need you to move one degree and look at where difference that points down range. Just turn one degree and walk in a straight line from there. 01:17:06.13 matt vincent You're way different place. 01:17:07.77 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 01:17:07.93 matt vincent Like it's the accumulation of the work that happens, right? And so like, what are the habits I want to change? What are the habits I want to get rid of? So let's say it's nicotine, porn, fucking any type of self-destructive dessert. 01:17:25.78 matt vincent So whatever the self-destructive habit could be, scrolling, any of these number of things, needlessly wasting my fucking time. I put them on my board so that I can pay attention to it, and then I track it. 01:17:39.51 matt vincent But clearly, subconsciously, I won't give a shit. That's why we're here. If I noticed it, I would have already done something about it. But clearly I can't. So now I've got to fucking put my sights on it until I get a handle on it. 01:17:54.58 nextlevelguypodcast Is that why on your whiteboard you had evidence of progress and you took the sticky notes off and you put it on there so you could look back and reflect on it? 01:18:03.38 matt vincent I don't necessarily look at any of those individually. The evidence of progress is just this notice that if I just always throw them away, anytime I finish something, anytime I make progress, any little action I do that is in alignment with who I want to become, it goes over there. 01:18:22.28 matt vincent Because it's easy get caught up in the moment and say, we're not fucking getting anything done. 01:18:26.19 nextlevelguypodcast yeah 01:18:27.82 matt vincent It's easy to get into that narrative. Then instead, like, bullshit. Bullshit. You know that's not true. Look at that fucking pile of evidence. 01:18:39.06 matt vincent And sure, you can fall into the gap and get back into scarcity and say, well, it should be further. Based on what? The evidence is, is doing that has got us here. 01:18:48.82 matt vincent So do more. 01:18:49.00 nextlevelguypodcast got. Yeah. 01:18:50.48 matt vincent The truth is, doing that got us here. It's not good. It's not bad. It's not should have. It's not should have been. It could have been worse. It could have been. It doesn't matter. The actions you took, the habits you've had, 01:19:02.59 matt vincent combined with whatever unique life experience that you went through on your journey, has got you here. 01:19:12.23 matt vincent Is that where you would like to be? 01:19:17.70 nextlevelguypodcast that'll probably have just changed a shitload of people's minds just now. Like, they'll be like, no, I'm not happy. And I think that's the beauty of it, that you're the living, breathing proof that you can change no matter how low you are to become the man you want to be. And I think that's why you've been so successful is you literally have lived the life. 01:19:40.86 nextlevelguypodcast You've gone the peaks to the, you know to the eyes and it's, it's been an honor to speak to you. I would love to do another one and go into deep dives and things, but I know I've used up so much of your time. 01:19:52.44 nextlevelguypodcast I cannot thank you enough for coming on, but what would you want people to take from this? 01:19:55.02 matt vincent appreciate it, 01:19:57.14 nextlevelguypodcast You know, because I'm trying not to go down rabbit holes because there's just so many amazing things you do, but 01:19:59.98 matt vincent man. Yeah. um I appreciate it. I appreciate it. um 01:20:14.62 matt vincent The life in front of you so much more important than life behind you. Who you've been doesn't have anything to do with who you can be. 01:20:24.40 matt vincent It's about choosing to wipe the slate, taking control, and actually managing the very, very few things that you're really in control of. What you choose to consume, what you choose to do, what you choose to say, how you follow through, and your reactions to your feelings. 01:20:48.26 matt vincent Your feelings are not necessarily important. They seem to always be flowing. They don't also seem to be flowing some days in any regulation to what the world is telling me. 01:20:59.78 matt vincent Some days are just shitty. And if I wait on those to be motivated to get things done, I won't get anything done. I know that they change, and I know they're not always have anything to do with anything. 01:21:16.40 matt vincent So with self-awareness, it's being able to move yourself out of that flow of feelings and realize that it's not you. But that flow is always coming through. And you can choose to ride on any of those that come, but they're all going to change and eventually pass. 01:21:32.07 matt vincent You haven't had a single feeling that's ever lasted forever. They all change on different intervals. So don't give up on the things that make you excited whenever you feel good just because you feel down. 01:21:46.22 matt vincent Instead, take actions that make you feel how you want to feel instead of waiting to feel away. I trust in my ability to take action. And when I do that, I feel good more of the time because I don't have to worry about that wasted amount of ram in my head constantly running through the where I've let myself down anymore. 01:22:10.81 matt vincent Because I don't. 01:22:16.07 nextlevelguypodcast that's truly amazing it it really makes sense um it's like I needed that right now it's like you know even though I'm riding highs I'm like 01:22:26.35 matt vincent You're the same age as me, man. Yeah, that's, I mean, look, my ideal client looks like you. 01:22:32.18 matt vincent It's at that point where they've tried a number of things, have found some success, but for whatever reason, can't get it to copy over to these other areas. And clearly whatever they believe ain't right. 01:22:42.65 matt vincent Let's try something else. 01:22:45.56 nextlevelguypodcast Well, until I can get you back on, I mean, I'd love to do like into different areas and stuff, but how can then we work with you? How can we follow the journey? 01:22:54.76 matt vincent Sure. 01:22:54.98 nextlevelguypodcast How can we sign up, buy the products? How can we follow along this journey you're on? 01:23:01.70 matt vincent On Instagram, easiest place is probably not dead yet life. Not dead yet underscore life is kind of the coaching page where everything is, where we have our retreats and everything else. Anybody listening here that's interested in working with me, shoot me an email. 01:23:14.76 matt vincent Matt at MattVincent.net. And I'll answer. Or shoot me a DM on Instagram at MatthewPVincent or The.MattVincent. Some of those are just different pages more focused on one aspect of my life than the other. 01:23:30.35 matt vincent But it's all me. And what I have found is living authentically and pursuing the things that I'm absolutely in love with seems to resonate with the world around me. 01:23:43.98 matt vincent And I want to help other people find their version of that. Give themselves permission and have enough trust and be able to deal with the days that shit doesn't work out so that you can get it. 01:23:58.26 matt vincent That's the easiest way. hope that was easy. I'm sure I blew that. Probably explained it over the top. 01:24:03.42 nextlevelguypodcast butver ah i'll hit stop