00:00.00 nextlevelguypodcast in there for a second. um Sorry, could you start from the Jenny moving here part? 00:05.11 Tom Morrison Yeah. um Yeah. so Jenny moved here and she joined the gym that I was working at and she, ah similar to me, was, or not similar to me, but she was having like joint pain all of the time. And I was like, but you're so flexible. This doesn't make any sense. So from, from my learning experience, it was like, well, if you're inflexible and you fix that and you improve your stability, you'll be okay. But Jenny appeared to have all of the flexibility and more and even some more. And I was like, well, how are you sore? This doesn't make any sense. And then that's when I discovered about hypermobility and it's a connective tissue disorder. So essentially instead of whenever she goes into some positions, instead of the muscles kind of supporting things, it's like the ligaments and the tendons and everything just kind of get the, be pushed into positions that are a little bit too much for them. Um, she has dislocated her shoulders multiple times. She had to get ankle surgery in the past and stuff as well. But like you had this incredibly fit girl that couldn't tolerate walking around town for like 15 minutes without her shins and her ankles and her knees hurting. So 01:03.70 Tom Morrison I started to use like the techniques that I used with my extreme nerve pain with her of like really just loading things gently and moving through positions and focusing on actually being able to create tension in a safe way. 01:17.53 Tom Morrison And like, so one of the things with CrossFit, at one demand is like, you know, that you're doing box jumps for reps. And if you're someone that's hypermobile, that is not a good idea whatsoever, but Ultimately after working together, like we started off with just like a small plate and we started getting her to jump and just step down, jump and step down. 01:34.94 Tom Morrison And then eventually she got to the stage where she could do box jumps. And then over the course of seven years later, she was learning like how to do backflips, like full back tucks, like standing and just going flip and landing on her feet again. 01:46.90 Tom Morrison Like, yeah, from not being able to walk properly to get into that stage and was just incredible. 01:46.94 nextlevelguypodcast For 01:53.13 Tom Morrison So hypermobility, i like I really do think a lot more people have it than they realize. um But yeah, the the training around it isn't great yet. 02:03.42 Tom Morrison It's getting better, but for people understanding how to work with it, rather than, oh you've got hurt and oh you're just an awkward client. Now you just get hurt all the time. Go away. yeah I can't be bothered with you kind of thing. It's like, no, no, these people are probably going to have joint pain and experience tweaks of things again and again. 02:19.00 Tom Morrison So we need to figure out how to build them up safely for one. But if they do happen to have that their knee hurts a bit, then we go, okay, we're going focus on the shoulders now for a bit. And then if the shoulder hurts, like, okay, we're going to on the knees for a bit and try and build it all together. 02:31.70 Tom Morrison So if you've ever seen Jenny's Instagram, like she's incredible at doing handstands and she's got uh labrum labrum tears in both of her shoulders and like said she dislocated her shoulders multiple times but you know you see her in the gym like i can barely keep up with her the weight she's lifting she can she can deadlift 145 kg think it is like it's absolutely crazy and you know she's tiny and it makes no sense don't tell her i said she's tiny though because she's she's massive that's that's her goal she's a beast she's massive she's trying to get as big as possible but yeah working with jenny like just taught me so much about the other side of things so I kind of came from a background of like, I thought I was strong, but I had zero flexibility. 03:10.07 Tom Morrison And Jenny, her background was more like she had all the flexibility. And anytime she tried to do strong stuff, she got hurt because there was too much kind of there that had no control. So that's the the kind of idea. That's where that flong and sexable came from because you want to be both strong and flexible as well and just have a good level of both. 03:29.18 Tom Morrison And that's your foundation essentially. So yeah, working with Jenny learned, it helped me learn so much about the other side of it as well. Cause I thought just from my own experience, like, Oh, if you're inflexible, you get hurt. And it's like, no, if you're too flexible, you can get hurt as well. And 03:43.82 nextlevelguypodcast Mm-hmm. 03:44.34 Tom Morrison What I started to realize was the exact same techniques worked for both of us. We just had to approach them slightly differently. So for me, if I'm trying to get into a position, I'm trying to get deeper into it and really relax into it and, you know, try and release things. Whereas for Jenny, it's like, well, she can already get into the position. So she needs to come up slightly out of it and try and be stable in it and actually build strength there and then go back into the end range, trying to keep the tension. and and that's ultimately what's helped her to get so far with all of her training and and stuff and she's helped so many people around the world now as well and you know give people with hypermobility hope of like oh here no maybe I can actually get stronger here because it's not a it's not a straightforward path similar with nerve pain you get flare-ups you know if your inflammation goes up you can just have a back pain flare-up or say you get stressed because it's such a 04:32.41 Tom Morrison um strong feeling physically. If you get mentally stressed, it can bring on that physical pain again. And it's understanding that and not being afraid to move through that is so important. So same with hypermobility. If something hurts, it's like trying to move through things and make yourself feel safe again so that you're not stopping completely. Because that's the worst thing that someone with hypermobility could do would be to just stop training completely because then they're going to lose even more stability. 04:55.32 Tom Morrison And then then you just get hurt from doing nothing. And that's the biggest thing I've learned over the years is like I can't see any logical way that you could ever rest yourself to getting stronger. 05:06.09 Tom Morrison It'll just never happen. You know? 05:07.58 nextlevelguypodcast No. Because that's the thing, isn't it? We all want to start and go, ah well I'll take a week off. I'll take a couple of days off before I get back to That's enough to fix. like That agony that's in my shoulder or I can't lift my arm or my head, but yay, that'll fix it. 05:22.44 Tom Morrison Mm-hmm. 05:22.55 nextlevelguypodcast I love that you've had that sort of that story with Jenny that you've learned... like the two the the versions, because that's what i think makes your podcast so good, apart from all the in-jokes and stuff. 05:32.69 Tom Morrison Mm. Mm. Mm. 05:34.38 nextlevelguypodcast It's that bit of, you know, JP has his story, you have your story, Shannon comes in, that Jenny has her version, but you never make it like... The diagnosis doesn't become your identity. 05:45.18 nextlevelguypodcast You just go, well, this is how we adapt it. This is how we fix this. This how we change it for people. How do we stop a diagnosis becoming an identity? How do we stop going, oh, well, that's me ruined. 05:55.42 nextlevelguypodcast you know how How do we get guys out of that mindset and go, hey, Tom's got a cracking method here that's helped over 65,000 people. you know we You can change. You can be built differently. 06:06.07 Tom Morrison Yeah, a diagnosis of of some kind. it's It's just information, just like pain. It's a signal. It's information to have, and it can influence what you need to do at the start. But if you get everything around the area feeling stronger, it really does support a lot of stuff. So we've met people that have been told they've got the knees of the 90 year old and and like no cartilage and stuff and all of these things. And it's like, well, you know, every now and again, it gets a wee bit sore. So stick a strap on it, but they're fine. you know, and that's, we're very privileged to be in that place that like, you know, I get emails and messages from people every day going, Oh, I did this exercise and it really helped me. I've got arthritis. I've got a hip replacement. I've got, you know, an knee replacement. I've got all these things and I'm feeling okay. And I'm like, I mean, isn't this is great, you know, and that that was never, never my goal in the past. You know, all I wanted to do in the past was, you know, be a strength coach and, you know, teach people how to weight lift and things like that. But the more that I worked with, um, that I started to realize it's like, I've got clients that have been with me here for you know five, six years and they're they're still training and they still feel good. And other people I'm seeing that did things for six months or a year and they just packed it in gave up. And you know the the the strength element of it um was the thing that helped them the most. So that whenever you have a diagnosis of some kind, it's just a thing of like, okay, I've got that. What can I do to help negate that? you know So with me having the ankylosing spondylitis, it's like, okay, I've got inflammatory arthritis, so what can I do to keep that at bay as best I can? So diet's a big factor, sleep's a big factor, and moving regularly is such an important thing for me. One of the symptoms for ankylosing spondylitis is supposed to be that you're really stiff when you wake up first thing in the mornings, like you're you're almost like your your bones have been fused, but because... 07:51.06 Tom Morrison I've made it a a lifestyle habit of when I wake up, the first thing I do is start to wiggle around in ah in an assisted squat and twist my spine and move my shoulders and move my neck. As soon as I wake up, I now wake up no stiffness because my body now knows, oh, when Tom wakes up, Tom moves. 08:06.74 Tom Morrison So we better be on it, you know? 08:08.02 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 08:08.22 Tom Morrison So there's so many things you can do to offset stuff that makes such a difference. And that's kind of the way i like to put, I call it playing life in hard mode. So if you have some kind of a diagnosis that is going to make things harder, it's like, great, we're playing hard mode then. 08:22.07 Tom Morrison I don't care. i'm I'm going to do more then to make things easier for myself and be able to live the life that I want to live. 08:28.72 nextlevelguypodcast Because that's why I'm a big fan of yours, because everywhere I was going, it was like you had to take 40 minutes of this. You had to go and get up like an hour early and stretch and foam roll and, you know, like basically make peace with your saviour and all this kind of stuff. but And I was like, hey, I just want to have a five-minute thing that I can do in the morning and go on. 08:47.16 nextlevelguypodcast And then I found your stuff. And, you know, I was thinking, in this guy's in jeans and he's fitter more mobile we can do all these things and i'm sitting there barely able to squat to the toilet right i'm following this guy what is it like guys that do like why do we over complicate this and where are the habits that would actually make a difference in most guys lives 09:09.17 Tom Morrison just I don't think people realize the value of things compounding over time. you know Five minutes every day equals 35 minutes a week. So so that's an extra sneaky gym session in. But the great thing about the shorter bursts of things is that It's more manageable to stick to, yes, but it also helps you more in a you know neurological type way too. So say you wanted to learn how to juggle. 09:30.57 Tom Morrison You're not going to juggle for two hours one day a week. You would lose your rag, something shocking, and you'd be so cheesed off with it and you wouldn't make any progress. 09:39.47 nextlevelguypodcast I've tried. 09:40.86 Tom Morrison Yeah. But if you were able to stick to just five minutes per day, every day, your your brain starts to go, well, this is this thing we're doing again. Oh, this is nice. And you don't get to that point that you're frustrated with that are annoyed. And it's just that constant repetition of working on things, you know? And so for me now, my kind of habits that I've built up over the years is the five minutes first thing in the morning as soon wake up. That's a non-negotiable form. I always do it And then throughout the day, i will find myself just wiggling on things. You know, I call it the have a wiggle kind of principle. And it's just, if I can put my leg up on it, I'm to put my leg up on it and give my hips a wee wiggle, you know? and 10:12.76 Tom Morrison I think people that don't shift around and, you know, and fidget during the day are weird to me. You know, it's like, why are you still for how long? 10:18.14 nextlevelguypodcast Thank you. 10:19.48 Tom Morrison what are you doing? You know, so another really one nice one that I like as well after dinner for like 20 minutes, I picked like a skill that I'm working on at at the time. And so either like working on deeper hip stretches or some kind of shoulder mobility or handstands or something like that. 10:34.62 Tom Morrison That way 20 minutes after dinner, I don't need to get a sweat on. I'm doing skill work. So I can just do a few reps of something or a few handstand holds or something like that there. And it's just that little bit of extra work in that I don't even include as a thing. 10:47.17 Tom Morrison Like to me, working on handstands, for example, would be just like going for a walk, you know? So walking something else that I really love as well. But one of the most beneficial things you can do if you do love to walk is to have a really deep hip stretch before you go. 11:01.15 Tom Morrison Like get really deep into a squat, move around, do a couple of lunges. and stretch your toes and stuff as well before you out your walk it makes it so much more beneficial basically turns walking and into a corrective exercise for you so um yeah moving your joints fully so important so for people that are active that are maybe listening to this and you know you have to look at running and cycling and Even swimming, for example, I get a lot hate on this online because everyone's like, oh, swimming is a full joint movement. 11:26.91 Tom Morrison But it's like, well, you're not fully going into deep knee flexion while you're swimming, are you? It's not how you swim. So everything that we do and everything that we enjoy is partial range joint movements. 11:38.23 Tom Morrison So it is up to us to add full range joint movements to complement what we want to do. Yeah. And it doesn't have to be that complicated. It really, really doesn't. Like i said, leg up on something, fully bend the knee, fully extend your hip at the back, rotate your hips. Like the 90-90 position, everyone's bound to know the 90-90 position by now. Just getting that every day for a couple of reps and twisting your legs from side to side. can make everything feel a thousand times better just with a couple of minutes every day. 12:04.78 nextlevelguypodcast I love that because a lot of guys will say, like, how do you improve? Okay, we've got to get stronger. We've got to get like this. We've got to build more muscle here and do this kind of thing. But you're actually saying, just use the body into the way that it's meant to do. 12:16.37 nextlevelguypodcast Like, get back into these kind of movement patterns and, you know, just don't overcomplicate it. Just have a wiggle on it. 12:22.47 Tom Morrison Yeah. 12:23.01 nextlevelguypodcast I love that. That's going to stick in my head now. Yeah. 12:25.30 Tom Morrison Yeah. I, I can make any strong man, any power lifter, any cross fitter, um, even professional footballers, anything I can make them sweat and shake and be like, Oh, I've never done this before. This is so hard with just their body weight through learning proper tension. And one of the other courses we have is called ultimate core and it kind of teaches people how to brace properly, how to create more tension through the middle as well. And, 12:52.72 Tom Morrison It's just not something that's taught normally because if you look at someone that's in a plank, for example, so a plank or a side plank, you look at them, they're like, yep, that's a plank or a side plank. That's great. Their hips are off the ground. 13:03.67 Tom Morrison They must be doing it right. But, If you're not actually engaging the muscles in the proper way and you're not really shaking when you're doing the movement, like, and you feel like your ribs are being constricted because you're bracing so hard, you're not really getting the benefits from it. And that's kind of what I noticed with a lot of people. 13:19.54 Tom Morrison You can get strong wrong for a long time and then those things start to catch you. And it's like, you've only been bracing because of a heavy weight. So you've only actually braced because the weights made you brace. You're not bracing to lift the weight. There's a big, big difference there. 13:36.76 nextlevelguypodcast I love that. never thought about that. You know that a lot of us use the weight to get into that position where it's actually we're not using our body. God, that actually explains a lot about me in the gym. 13:47.54 nextlevelguypodcast Because a lot guys would come to you only you know after they've realized they built their house on shaky foundations. 13:48.36 Tom Morrison Yeah. 13:54.37 nextlevelguypodcast yeah know They've got the pain. They've got the aches and kind of things. How do we start fixing this? Because a lot of us will come and go, I've got this. It's a stabby pain. yeah but but We don't understand really what it is. i mean, I've got, like say, a shoulder impingement just now. How would you start self-diagnosing that or teaching me how to do that and then how to fix it? Where does your mind go in that process? 14:19.00 Tom Morrison Well, usually, especially, we'll stick with the shoulder. Sure. Anytime you've got something going on with the shoulder, you immediately gravitate to, I need a shoulder exercise. You don't necessarily think, oh, maybe my ribs aren't moving well here. Maybe my thoracic spine isn't moving well. And if, so imagine if your upper back is really rounded and you try and move your shoulder any which way, it's going to feel suffocated on itself. It's not going to move right. Whereas if you actually can put your shoulders into a good position, it's like, oh, now all of a sudden the shoulder blade can glide. Things can actually move properly. And then you want to look at the other things that can compensate too. So for a lot of people, the neck, if your neck's really stiff, it's going to pull things up. 14:55.45 Tom Morrison So then again, you're going to run into an impingement sensation. So you've got to look at the body as a whole. You can't just go, well, it's sore here. I need the exercise for here. So in terms of shoulder issues, you got to go through the upper back first, really improve that range of motion with the upper back. 15:04.41 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 15:09.43 Tom Morrison You got to calm the neck down and stop it from overpowering things and tightening things up. And then you've got to go into your shoulder exercises after that. And you've got to go through full scapular control and you've got to go through the arm movements as well. 15:21.39 Tom Morrison And You need to start using movements that are a greater range of motion. So one of the ones as well that I get a lot of hate on for online is when I started like the banded external rotation exercise that a lot of people do. 15:34.82 Tom Morrison It's like one of the most famous physiotherapy exercises in the world. 15:37.91 nextlevelguypodcast Hmm. 15:37.98 Tom Morrison And I see people doing that and it's like, you've got a joint. that can basically go 360 and you're, I don't know, practicing to open door handles with it. It's like, it's not enough. So shoulders are your most mobile joints in your body. They're able to do so many things. So you need to break it down that way. So your thoracic spine, it should extend and should rotate. Well, your neck, you need to move it in all the different ways it can flexion, extension and lateral flexion, extension and rotation as well. And even combination of those two. 16:09.43 Tom Morrison And then with the shoulders, You need to take your scaps through protraction, retraction, elevation, and depression. And then with the shoulders, you've got to go through your flexion, extension, internal rotation, external rotation, adduction and abduction. 16:22.67 Tom Morrison It sounds like a lot, but I can basically get you to do that with a circle, like just doing an arm circle and it's bringing the control into it and actually understanding what it should feel like and being able to pause in different positions and like not let your elbows join in as well. 16:27.70 nextlevelguypodcast Well. 16:37.09 Tom Morrison So one of the exercises I love is called scap circles. and that's when you're on all fours and you try and draw a big circle with your shoulder blades essentially and so many people really struggle to do that and it's like they're doing all of these weird naff isolated exercises and i'm going you can't make circles with your shoulders what are you doing and it's like that's where you've got to start you got to start with the easier stuff and unload it as well and that's how you can start to essentially with the thoracic spine the neck stuff you're thinking about clearing the space then the shoulder essentially i've even met people that got um 17:20.05 Tom Morrison subacromial space, like decompression, like ah a surgery to shave away parts of bone to try and help with their shoulder impingement. And they had never been shown an upper back stretch and they still had pain after the surgery. 17:30.78 Tom Morrison And then like literally a couple of weeks time of showing them and then working on them, right. 17:32.23 nextlevelguypodcast Mm-hmm. 17:34.82 Tom Morrison Things and a few banded exercises. They're like, the pain's gone. It's great. You know? So, It's just so hard to know sometimes. And because you're not sore, maybe in your ribs or whatever, you don't bring, you don't think there's anything wrong there. So it's, it's treating the body as a whole. Same thing goes for the hips and lower back pain. If you fix your hips, generally you're going to get rid of your back pain and your knee pain. 17:54.32 nextlevelguypodcast I love that. I never even thought about that because a lot of what I've been doing is kind of like lying there with the arm coming out here like this and I'd hear a crack and go, ooh. 18:00.60 Tom Morrison Yeah. 18:01.85 nextlevelguypodcast Or, you know, then others were saying, no, no, you do this. You bring it back and twist it here and this one and said you'd lift up here. And I was like, what the? or Have we forgotten how to and understand our bodies, that we just outsource it to other people? 18:14.72 nextlevelguypodcast We're not no longer a student of our own bodies. Yeah. 18:18.40 Tom Morrison I think one of the funniest things, have you ever seen online, sometimes a little flash up of like gymnastics warmups and like school warmups from like the seventies and they're doing all these normal natural movements. 18:30.22 Tom Morrison And some of them that I teach today now, it was when the foam rollers came in and the lacrosse balls and everyone started getting so technical and scientific and, you know, shouting out all the names of the muscles and everything like that. 18:30.46 nextlevelguypodcast Yeah. 18:42.54 Tom Morrison And it's like, we've got too smart that we forgot how to move. And that is the biggest problem. It's like we're trying to get so isolated on figuring out exactly which muscle is the problem that we're not moving the other 600. So your body has over 600 muscles. It's never a one muscle problem ever. And sure, you can be weak at pulling, weak at pushing in certain motions and things or or have things that you're not as good at as other things. 19:09.42 Tom Morrison That's fine. But if you're trying to blame all of your problems on one muscle or one diagnosis or like, say, you know, You've got a little bit of an extra bone growth or something, or little bit of stenosis in your spine, something like that. gott You're trying to blame everything on that. It's like, you're not just one thing. You're a collective of things. And that's why you need to have complete full body movement movements. 19:30.64 nextlevelguypodcast I love that. And we also need to get you to sign up to your mobility method. i know we were coming up to their time because it feels like 10 minutes, honestly. So i'd love to do another couple of you because there's so many things I'd love to get into. But imagine you had two blokes just now, same age, same starting point. you know like Say if it's two two young kids just starting the gym, one starts treating his body like something you know he'll deal with later. He's chasing the PR still. The other starts investing in it, you know signs up to your method, et cetera. 20:01.88 nextlevelguypodcast Fast forward at 20 years, what do they look like? you know What do they gain? What do they lose? What would you want every guy listening to this to understand that, yes, it will come to you, the debt collector will catch up with your but you know and say, this is how you've treated your body. 20:20.31 nextlevelguypodcast How do we end up becoming one of them and not the other one? 20:25.98 Tom Morrison If everything works as it should do, it's like you've had your car serviced and it's going to be okay. Whereas if you don't work on this stuff and your check engine light comes on and you put a piece of duct tape over it, it's your car is going to break down and then it's going to cost you a lot of money. 20:41.56 Tom Morrison And I think the weirdest thing with us as humans is that because it's just you and it's not your car, it's not something financial to you. It's like you'll put up with it. 20:52.54 Tom Morrison And that's not right. You are the most important thing in the world. You should look after yourself because if you can't look after yourself, then you can't look after others, which means that you you can't serve others. You can't help others, which then stops you being useful. 21:06.42 Tom Morrison So your training the gym needs to be that it makes you someone that can be depended on. It makes you someone that's strong and it makes you like, 21:14.56 nextlevelguypodcast Thank you. 21:15.19 Tom Morrison not only physically strong, but mentally strong as well. And if you can get a really good run on a good foundation for 20 plus years with having very few setbacks because you put the pre-work in, like that's a good life. That's a life that I want people to have. Whereas as if you end up a year down the road, picking up a bunch of injuries, resting for a while, training six months again later, oh, here's a new injury. And then just getting cheesed off with it. 21:40.67 Tom Morrison It's not a lot of fun. It's really not. And life is supposed to be fun. Life is very short. You want it to be as fun as possible and you want it to have as little pain in it as possible as well. So that's why I would always prioritize mobility first. 21:52.44 nextlevelguypodcast Love that. Because you've you've had your pain and your experience and you've grown from that. You've worked with Jenny. You understand how the body can go against it. How did becoming a father change you? Did you see what kids are naturally like and how we mess it up with societal jobs and stuff like that? 22:12.60 nextlevelguypodcast How have you been changed as a coach by becoming a father as much as a man? 22:20.73 Tom Morrison See the the gift of play, like seeing a kid just completely engrossed in something and they don't get embarrassed. It's the best thing in the world. If a kid falls over, he gets up and keeps playing. 22:32.34 Tom Morrison If we're in the street and we fell over or tripped over a curb, we're like, oh, I hope nobody's seen that. I'm so embarrassed. Oh, and it just ruined your whole day. And you think about it for the rest of the day and you just don't care. Whereas Kids try things and they're up for it and they just, if it doesn't work, they'll try again, they'll try again, they'll try again. And that's the kind of attitude that I'm now trying to keep now as an adult. And that's what I see with my children. And I just try and encourage them to try things that they enjoy. and to have fun, you know, and it's, I make training for them a game. I gamify it for them um and just make it, Hey, can you lift this? Can you try this? Can you do this? Can you stand on one leg like this? Okay. click Close your eyes. Right. Can you catch this? And you know, we just, we totally gamify everything and just play. And it's so important. So yeah, I am very big on assessing things and making sure joints are moving well, left to right and all of that. But the other element of that is I also want you to play. I want you to be able to wiggle and not be afraid to let your knee cave in and, you know, get yourself into weird positions and not be so tense. And it's just that if you if you've ever seen your kids sleep, it's just a level of sleep you'll never achieve ever again. It's just, it they're completely at rest. They're always in the moment. And I just love that. And that, 23:43.32 Tom Morrison for me becoming a dad, it was the best thing in the world. I never understood how much you could love something until Roxy was first born. And I was like, I just couldn't believe it. I want to show you everything. I want to, I want to protect you. And I want to give you this and I want to do this. And when, Oh, I just couldn't believe it. And, 23:58.30 Tom Morrison yeah, but and watching her grow up and just seeing how well she could move without me even having to teach her anything, you know, and I would just be like, hey, can you crawl like a bear? She could just crawl like a bear. There was no thought of it. whereas Whereas if you, you know, you take a group of 40 to 50 year olds that haven't exercised for maybe 20 years, it's like, right, okay, we're going to crawl down like a bear. like, 24:16.54 Tom Morrison It's a bit silly, isn't it? You know, and there there's just this hesitation about doing things. Whereas, you know, we're meant to move and we should enjoy moving and we shouldn't take ourselves seriously. So that the kids just really fully ignited that in me all over again, you know, and getting to to see them accomplishing things now is just incredible. 24:34.52 Tom Morrison My son's started doing pro wrestling for fun and was just loving it. 24:38.34 nextlevelguypodcast Awesome. 24:40.07 Tom Morrison Absolutely loving it. So I did it for my Christmas advert last year. I wrestled Santa and had a go for the proper pro wrestling and he's now started with them and he is just loving every second of it. And it's just so fun to see him doing something that's going to help him build muscle, help him get fitter, but he's also performing. He's learning confidence. You know, he's, he's really enjoying the whole thing. And and and to him, it's not like, Oh, I need to go to the gym. It's like, I'm going to wrestle and i can't wait. I'm going to see the wrestlers. I'm going to play my friends, you know, and that's the way you want it to be. you know, I, I love people to find things that they're passionate about, you know, and if if going to the gym isn't something you're passionate about, that's okay. There's so many other ways. You can learn how to dance. You can do rock climbing. You can, there's so much stuff out there and ways to be active. You just got to find the thing that lights you up and that gets you out of bed in the morning, essentially. And that's the kind of thing that we like to do is get people to that point that they feel like they can do anything. 25:31.16 nextlevelguypodcast I love that. And I love the way you light up when you talk about your kids, but also the how it motivates you to then inspire and help other people. as It's beautiful. I would love to have you on again and do again and again, but until we can get you back on, what would you want people to remember from this? 25:49.08 nextlevelguypodcast Because, you know, is it have a wiggle? Is it to treat mobility as a love language? Is it to do it for your future and for the the kids and remember to play? 25:59.83 nextlevelguypodcast how How would you sum up this chat? Because we've covered so many things and I've still got like 20 odd pages of questions. What would you want people to take from this if this is the only time they've listened to you? 26:11.29 Tom Morrison Think about putting into your movement pension. So you're going to need to draw on it one day. One day things are going to slow down a lot and it'll be a lot harder. And the choices that you make today mean that that's what that looked like. That's how that outcome is going to be of either You're really struggling to get up out of your chair and you know someone needs to help wipe your butt or you're physically freedom. You've got your physical freedom and you can do whatever you want. And you are someone that can be depended on and someone that's capable. And that's what I like to be. 26:43.28 nextlevelguypodcast And how can we follow this journey? You know, because you're going from strength to strength, you're doing these amazing videos, you're you're changing the world, you're helping people just live longer and be healthier and happier. 26:54.04 nextlevelguypodcast But how can we follow you on social media? How can we sign up? How can we get the the method, et cetera, et cetera? 27:00.66 Tom Morrison If you just Google Tom Morrison, I'll pop up everywhere essentially. So on YouTube, it's Tom Morrison. Facebook, it's Tom Morrison. Instagram, it's TomMorrison.training, which is annoying. Our website is TomMorrison.uk. So there's actually a politician that has the.co.uk, which I was raging about. So yeah, I'm TomMorrison.uk. So we'll pop up there and you can get the Simplistic Mobility Method there. So If you're someone that just wants to improve your total body flexibility, the Simplistic Mobility Method is the best one to start with. If you're someone with chronic back pain or someone with a similar history to mine, then the Full Beginners Bundle is great. It has the core work in it too. For the likes of yourself, um i would go for Shoulder Posture Fix. 27:39.83 Tom Morrison It'd be a really good one to get on top of that shoulder. So we've got programs for everything. And there's also video call with me as well. If anybody wanted to get that, you could talk to me. and as well. It's always great to just hear how things relate to your own personal circumstances as well. So yeah, I'm pretty much just Tom Morrison anywhere. 27:55.35 nextlevelguypodcast Well, I'll head