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TODAY's GUEST IS ... CHRIS 'BONES' BURNS
“It’s less about what goal can I conquer and it’s more about what makes me feel right in being alive.”
This conversation starts with jiu-jitsu but quickly moves into much bigger territory. Chris and I talk about adoption, belonging, depression, fatherhood, purpose, service, and what it means to build a life that feels meaningful rather than merely successful. If you’ve ever felt like an outsider or wondered what actually makes life worth living, there’s a lot here to think about.
Chris ‘Bones’ Burns is a Rickson Gracie black belt, educator and founder of Academy Jiu-Jitsu in Sydney. Known for his obsession with fundamentals and his refreshingly honest take on life, Chris helps people think more deeply about self-defence, purpose, belonging and becoming more fully themselves.
Most people will look at Chris Burns and see a jiu-jitsu black belt. What they might miss is the deeper question that has driven much of his life: what actually makes being alive feel worthwhile? In a world obsessed with status, followers, achievement and constant optimisation, Chris offers a different perspective. One built around belonging, service, presence, family and finding the things that make you feel right in yourself. This conversation explores what happens when you stop chasing what looks impressive and start paying attention to what feels meaningful. The answer may be simpler than most of us expect.
This episode is for you if you’ve achieved things in life but still feel like something important is missing.
This episode is for you if you’re tired of chasing what looks impressive and want to figure out what actually matters to you.
This episode is for you if you’ve ever struggled to feel like you belong, even when you’re surrounded by other people.
🔗 Key Links
- Rickson Gracie
https://rickson.com/ - Joseph Campbell
https://www.jcf.org/ - The Hero with a Thousand Faces — Joseph Campbell
- The Power of Myth — Joseph Campbell
- Memento Mori (Stoic Philosophy)
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🎯 Challenge
Take ten quiet minutes and ask yourself one question:
“What makes me feel right in being alive?”
Not what impresses other people. Not what looks successful on social media. Write down three moments from the last year when you felt genuinely alive, present or fulfilled, then find a way to create one of those moments again this week. Meaning often leaves clues—we just don’t stop long enough to notice them.
KEY POINTS, Links & Actions
WHAT WE COVER
Why following your bliss has more to do with meaning than achievement.
Growing up feeling like an outsider and building a place to belong.
How service, teaching and helping others became a path out of depression.
The difference between chasing techniques and mastering the fundamentals.
Fatherhood, happiness and what really matters as life moves on.
Key Takeaways
1. Following your bliss isn’t about chasing happiness.
Most people think bliss is a destination. Chris describes it as paying attention to the things that make being alive feel right. Sometimes that’s a major goal. Sometimes it’s reading a book, sitting by the ocean, or burying treasure in the garden with your son.
2. The fundamentals matter more than the flashy stuff.
Whether it’s jiu-jitsu, self-defence or life itself, people often chase complexity before they understand the basics. The people who last are usually the ones who master the foundations before looking for shortcuts.
3. Helping others can give suffering a purpose.
Chris spoke openly about depression and periods where he wanted to suffer. What slowly changed things wasn’t achievement or recognition—it was realising that helping another person made him feel useful, connected and needed.
4. Learning to like yourself is ongoing work.
There isn’t a magic point where self-doubt disappears forever. Some days you still have to look in the mirror and remind yourself you’re doing okay. Growth isn’t reaching a final destination; it’s continuing the conversation with yourself in a healthier way.
5. A meaningful life is often far simpler than we imagine.
Success, followers and status can all disappear. The things Chris repeatedly came back to were family, community, purpose, creativity, the ocean, good conversations and being present for the people he loves. Those are the things that remain when everything else is stripped away.
WHY THIS GUEST BELONGS ON NLG
Why Chris Burns is a Next Level Guy
At first glance, Chris Burns looks like someone who built his life around martial arts. A Rickson Gracie black belt, academy founder and respected coach, it’s easy to assume his story is about technical mastery. Spend an hour talking to him, though, and something very different emerges.
Chris’s journey wasn’t really about learning to fight. It was about learning where he belonged.
Growing up adopted left him carrying questions about identity and connection that many people never have to face. Jiu-jitsu became more than a sport; it became a place where he found purpose, community and eventually the opportunity to create those same things for other people. Rather than simply building a successful academy, Chris built a tribe—a place where people could feel accepted, challenged and supported.
What separates Chris from other successful coaches isn’t just his knowledge. It’s the qualities that repeatedly surface beneath everything he does: humility, curiosity, service and an ongoing willingness to question himself. Despite decades of experience, he still speaks openly about depression, self-doubt and days when he doesn’t particularly like himself. There’s no performance of having everything figured out. There is simply a commitment to keep doing the work.
For Chris, “Next Level” has very little to do with achievement. It means paying attention to what genuinely makes life feel worthwhile. It means mastering the fundamentals instead of endlessly chasing complexity. It means choosing presence over image, community over status, and purpose over recognition. Even now, he continues to evolve by asking bigger questions about meaning rather than collecting bigger accomplishments.
An ordinary man doesn’t need to become a black belt to learn from Chris. He can slow down and notice what genuinely makes him feel alive instead of chasing what looks impressive. He can invest in relationships instead of reputation, focus on the fundamentals instead of shortcuts, and recognise that helping other people often becomes one of the fastest ways to help himself.
If I had to complete the sentence, I’d say:
A Next Level Guy is someone who builds a life around meaning instead of image, and helps others find a place where they can belong.
The moment that captures Chris best isn’t a victory on the mats. It’s hearing him describe happiness as reading a book, watching the ocean, spending time with his son or helping another human being. For someone whose life has been built around elite martial arts, those simple answers reveal far more about his character than any medal or belt ever could.
The standard Chris refuses to compromise is authenticity. He won’t pretend life’s deepest questions have been solved simply because he’s been successful. Instead, he continues to choose honesty over ego, curiosity over certainty and service over self-importance.
The price of becoming this version of himself has been significant. He has lived through questions of identity, periods of depression, injuries, self-doubt and the slow work of letting go of the belief that achievement alone could ever make him feel complete. That willingness to keep searching—not for success, but for meaning—is what makes Chris Burns a Next Level Guy.
We as men spend years hunting for money, power, success, anything external to cling to, to justify our worth. Chris is living life as he wants, not letting his past hold him back. If you are truthful to yourself, are you living your life as you truly want, or to fit in?
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I host The Next Level Guy Podcast — conversations focused on helping men build themselves physically, mentally, socially, and professionally through real-world experience, discipline, and honest self-development. The show was built for ordinary men trying to improve their lives without the fake guru nonsense, empty motivation, or polished perfection. Every episode focuses on practical lessons, hard-earned perspective, and actionable tools that can actually be applied in real life. My own journey has included struggles with confidence, focus, mental health, and feeling stuck — which is why I care more about lived experience than theory. I’m not interested in pretending to have all the answers. I’m interested in learning from people who’ve genuinely done the work, testing those lessons in my own life, and sharing what actually helps. If you’re trying to become stronger, calmer, more capable, and more intentional in how you live, you’re in the right place.-
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