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🎙️ Welcome to a special edition of the Next Level Guy Podcast — Let’s Talk About…

This is a series where we have real, unfiltered conversations about the stuff that matters. Whether it’s grief, stigma, masculinity, mental health, or self-worth — we’re going to talk about it.
Not to shock. Not to shame. But to understand — and grow. Because when we talk about it, we take away its power. So let’s get into today’s conversation.

🧡 Let’s talk about being seen — for who we are, not just how we look. 

We’re all more than what people see — so stop staring, start asking, and actually see the person in front of you.

If someone met you today, what would they notice first — your face, your energy, or your story? Too often, we’re taught to judge with our eyes before we ever engage with our hearts. We make snap assumptions based on appearance, and forget to ask:
Who is this person? What is their story? What have they survived? What have they built? What makes them so unique?

This episode is about unlearning that reflex. It’s about seeing the person, not the diagnosis. The journey, not just the scars, lumps, or labels. The strength, not just what stands out.

Today’s guest is Oliver Bromley — a mental health worker, speaker, advocate, and visible difference campaigner living with Neurofibromatosis Type 1 (NF1), a genetic condition that causes non-cancerous tumours on the nerves. He was asked to leave a restaurant because of how he looked — now he’s teaching the world how to see better.

Born in South Africa and now based in the UK, Oliver has endured countless surgeries, faced misunderstanding and prejudice — even been asked to leave a restaurant simply because of how he looks.
But this isn’t a story about pity.
This is a story about purpose.

With humour, honesty, and heart, Oliver opens up about growing up with NF1, building self-acceptance, and turning pain into a mission — helping others see the humanity beyond the surface.
He reminds us that kindness isn’t optional, that masculinity can mean vulnerability, and that we all have a role to play in making the world more inclusive.

💬 If you’ve ever felt different, misunderstood, or judged — this conversation is for you.

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🌱 About “Let’s Talk About…”

Let’s Talk About… is a special series from the Next Level Guy Podcast that dives deep into the conversations most of us avoid — about identity, pain, resilience, and what it means to grow.

Every episode is raw, real, and aimed at helping us become more human — together.

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📖 Oliver’s Story: From Stared At to Speaking Out

👦 Before: The Boy Who Felt Different
Growing up in South Africa, Oliver was born with Neurofibromatosis Type 1 (NF1) — a genetic condition that causes tumours to grow along his nerves.
As a child, he endured countless surgeries, painful treatments, and the quiet sting of being stared at or whispered about. Even in everyday moments, he felt his worth reduced to his appearance.

💔 The Breaking Point: Being Asked to Leave a Restaurant
Years later, in the UK, after a hospital visit, he was asked to leave a restaurant because his appearance was “upsetting customers.”
It was a defining moment — hurtful, humiliating… but also clarifying. He realised he couldn’t stay silent anymore.

🌱 The Shift: Turning Pain Into Purpose
Instead of retreating, Oliver chose to speak up. He became an advocate, using platforms like TikTok, Instagram, and public speaking to share his story — educating others, breaking stigma, and showing the humanity behind visible differences.

💬 After: A Voice of Kindness and Change
Today, Oliver is a mental health worker, husband, creator, and visible difference campaigner.
He shows people that you’re more than how you look — and that kindness, curiosity, and conversation can change lives.

🌍 His Mission:
To teach the world to see the person, not just the condition.

🎧 What We Cover

  • ✅ Confronting stigma and why “ask, don’t stare” matters

  • ✅ Dealing with mental health struggles and building emotional resilience

  • 🔁 What society gets wrong about masculinity and difference

  • 🔁 What to say when a child asks about someone who looks different

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode

In this powerful first instalment of the Let’s Talk About… series, you’ll discover:

  • ✅ What it’s really like to live with Neurofibromatosis Type 1 (NF1) — from childhood surgeries to daily challenges

  • ✅ How Oliver turned pain into purpose and became a voice for those with visible differences and turned his personal hardship into global advocacy

  • ✅ Why saying “don’t stare, just ask” could change someone’s entire day

  • ✅ The connection between masculinity, vulnerability, and identity when you don’t look like everyone else

  • ✅ Tools for mental resilience, self-acceptance, and finding meaning in suffering

  • ✅ What you can do to create a more inclusive, respectful world — with just a small shift in awareness

This episode isn’t about sympathy — it’s about understanding, action, and truly seeing people as they are.


🧠 Key Takeaways from This Episode

Visible difference is just one part of the story

Behind every face is a full life. Oliver reminds us that difference isn’t something to pity or avoid — but to understand.

👀 Ask, don’t stare

The simplest act of kindness is curiosity delivered with respect. Instead of turning away, Oliver urges us to engage — kindly, gently, humanely.

You don’t get pity forever

Feel the pain, grieve if you must, but don’t get stuck there. Move forward with purpose.

🪞 Masculinity needs a rewrite

Oliver’s vulnerability challenges the idea that strength means silence. Real masculinity includes softness, openness, and owning your scars.

🧑‍⚕️ Mental health deserves more than a prescription

Too often, visible conditions are dismissed as cosmetic. Oliver calls for deeper empathy and better support from professionals — especially for chronic struggles.

🆔 You’re always you

Whether it’s NF1, depression, or any struggle, your identity is more than your condition. That truth can ground you, too.

🌍 Every one of us can make the world easier to live in

Through how we teach our kids, greet strangers, or react to difference — change starts small, with us.

🚧 Boundaries are self-care, not selfish

Oliver protects his mental health by setting clear limits when people overstep with intrusive questions — and you can too.

🗣️ You can teach people how to treat you

Instead of staying silent, Oliver models calm, respectful ways to educate others about visible difference — proving that one conversation can change a mind.

🏥 Even professionals need educating

Oliver points out how healthcare and mental health systems often dismiss rare conditions — a reminder to advocate for yourself and push for better care.

💡 Pain is part of purpose — but it doesn’t define you

NF1 has shaped Oliver, but it’s not all he is. His life is full — with a wife, a job, passions, and humour — and that’s what he wants you to see, too.

👨‍👩‍👧 Empathy starts at home

How parents talk to their kids about visible differences — with kindness instead of fear — shapes the next generation.

🤝 You can still help others while hurting yourself

Even on his bad days, Oliver shows up for others on a mental health helpline — proof that you don’t have to be perfect to make an impact.

⚖️ Legislation and attitudes need to catch up

From discrimination to accessibility, barriers still exist — and being an ally means pushing for systemic change.

🧔 Masculinity and vulnerability belong together

Oliver’s openness as a man with a visible difference challenges “tough it out” culture. Strength can also mean asking for help, crying, and speaking out.

💬 Powerful Quotes

“You’re not your diagnosis. You’re still you. You’re always Oliver.”
– Ian
 
“You don’t get pity forever. You get six hours, then you’ve got to move.”
– Oliver 
 
“When we know better, we do better.”
– Oliver
 
🧡 “We can’t always change what we look like — but we can change how we treat each other.”
 
💬 “People don’t realize the power of a smile over a stare.”
 
🔍 “You don’t have to understand my condition to treat me like a human being.”
 
🧠 “I’m not brave because I have no fear — I’m brave because I carry on anyway.”
 
🙌 “The hardest part of living with a visible difference isn’t what’s in the mirror — it’s what’s in other people’s eyes.”
 
✨ “You’re allowed to have bad days — just don’t let them take you away from who you are.”
 
👥 “We teach kids to say ‘please’ and ‘thank you’ — why don’t we teach them how to talk to people who look different?”
 
💪 “Strength isn’t staying silent. Strength is saying: I matter too.”

🎯 Challenges for the Listener

This week’s top Next Level Guy Challenge:

When you see someone who looks different, pause. Don’t stare. Smile. If it’s appropriate, ask — kindly, not curiously. Let them feel seen as a person first. Notice the people around you. Really see them. And when you feel the urge to judge based on appearance — pause, ask a question instead, or just smile. You can start the change. One choice at a time. Pause before you judge. Look past appearances. 

 

1. Practice Respectful Curiosity

This week, if you or your child notice someone who looks different — pause. Don’t stare. Don’t shush. Ask gently, or smile kindly. Teach curiosity with respect.

2. Audit Your Reactions

Pay attention to your snap judgments. Whether it’s someone’s appearance, accent, posture — pause and ask: What story might I be missing here?

3. Give the Gift of Attention

The next time you speak with someone — give them your full focus. Let them feel seen, not assessed.

4. Challenge One Microaggression

Did someone make an insensitive joke, comment, or assumption about someone who looks or acts differently? Gently challenge it. “Have you ever thought how that might feel for someone listening?”

5. Be Vulnerably You

Share one story this week about something you usually hide — an insecurity, a fear, or a tough experience. Invite connection through honesty.

6. Use the Six-Hour Rule

Feeling low or stuck? Give yourself a window to wallow — then choose action. What small thing can you do today to move forward with strength?

7. Teach Someone to “Ask, Don’t Stare”

If you’re with a child or peer and they notice someone with a visible difference, model the conversation Oliver wishes people had with him. Teach by doing.

8. Amplify a Different Voice

Share a post, video, or story from someone with a visible difference or disability. Use your platform to make space for someone else’s.

9. Upgrade Your Compliments

This week, when you compliment someone, make it not about appearance. Focus on energy, kindness, courage, creativity, resilience.

10. Learn About a Rare Condition

Spend 10 minutes reading about NF1 or another visible difference you don’t understand. Then reflect: What surprised you? What might change in how you treat people now?

11. Sit With Discomfort

If someone’s story or appearance triggers something uncomfortable in you — don’t turn away. Sit with it. Ask what it’s showing you about your assumptions.

12. Create a Kindness Ritual

Make a personal rule: one small act of anonymous kindness every week — especially toward someone who often goes unseen.

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🧠 Key Lesson

We are so much more than what people see at first glance — and so is everyone else. Oliver’s story is a reminder that true strength isn’t about hiding your difference, but embracing it and helping others see past it too. Kindness, curiosity, and courage are how we break down stigma, one choice at a time.

💬 Your move:

This week, challenge yourself to see the person before the appearance. Pause, smile, and ask — with respect, not assumption. And if you’ve ever felt different yourself, know this: you’re not alone, and your story matters.

🧠 Why This Matters

This isn’t just about NF1 — it’s about how we all carry something people can’t see. What Oliver reminded me of is how powerful it is to meet people with curiosity instead of assumptions. A huge thank you to Oliver for sharing their truth so openly with us. That kind of courage changes lives.

🧠 What This Conversation Taught Me

Oliver reminded me that resilience doesn’t always look like grit and grind — sometimes it’s choosing kindness when you have every right to be bitter. This episode wasn’t just about NF1 — it was about identity, empathy, and learning to see the full story in people we often overlook.

Thank you for listening, and for being someone who chooses to go deeper.

🧡 NF1 is invisible until it’s not — and yet, it’s always there.
Neurofibromatosis isn’t just what we see — the lumps, scars, asymmetry. It’s also what we don’t: the internal pain, the surgeries, the mental load of carrying a visible difference through a world that doesn’t understand.

👀 Society still defines worth by symmetry and surface.
Oliver’s story shows how quickly people can reduce a person to what they look like — as if difference equals less value. It made me realise how much of our idea of “attractiveness” is cultural, shallow, and unexamined.

🔍 True appearance is more than skin deep.
What really “shows up” when Oliver enters a room is his humour. His kindness. His resilience. His energy. The real definition of appearance should include the things that radiate from within — not just the canvas of the body.

🪞 We’re all judged — but we don’t all carry it the same.
Most of us have moments of insecurity about our looks. Oliver lives with it daily, yet carries himself with grace. That taught me that self‑acceptance isn’t pretending you’re okay all the time — it’s choosing to keep showing up.

🌍 We can create change by how we teach kids and talk to each other.
So much of stigma is inherited through silence or awkwardness. Simply modelling a respectful question, a smile instead of a stare, or a positive comment can break that cycle.

💬 Appearance is a story — and every story deserves to be heard.
We tend to think someone’s face or body tells the whole story. But as Oliver shows us, what we see is just the prologue. If we don’t ask, we’ll never know the real plot.

🛡️ Kindness is free — and it’s the easiest way to level the field.
We can’t always fix conditions, we can’t erase difference. But we can make the world feel less hostile by choosing kindness over judgment every time.


🎯 Reflection:

This episode reminded me that I need to catch myself when I judge someone on sight — and pause long enough to wonder: Who are they really? What do I not see? What makes them such an amazing person? 
That’s the challenge I pass on to you, too.

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I’m a podcaster who interviews great examples of people to discuss and highlight the methods, hacks, tips and procedures you can use in your own life to help you develop and better your life. I would definitely not consider myself an expert, so to improve, I ask them and action it in my own life! My personal journey has been marked by awkwardness and awesomeness, OCD and ‘OMG’. I have suffered with depression, shyness, unhappiness and lack of focus and motivation so I know what’s it like to feel lost and hopeless. Back then, I wished I had a podcast to listen to and find actual fixes and concrete action steps and not just unobtainable suggestions and promotion of their products but couldn’t find it … so I made my own!

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